Talk:Strident vowel

Examples

Could we have some records here? I think that is really necessary, because the description involves so many movements in the throat, that it is difficult to know when you got the pronunciation right. Wisapi (talk) 01:03, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

Admittedly, I can't recall ever hearing such a vowel, but the description suggests essentially the same as the (or a typical) death growl technique to me. --Florian Blaschke (talk) 18:38, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

--Error (talk) 00:14, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

Provenance?

The linked source does not appear to mention the word "strident" at all; the reference is unlinked; and searching the internet for strident vowel produces, afaict, only copies of this article plus people asking each other for more information on the topic to no avail. I've some personal confidence in the apparent primary contributor to this article, User:Kwamikagami, but would really like to better understand where the basic material here comes from, and it would certain be nice to find whatever supporting resources might be available on the internet. --Pi zero (talk) 03:47, 8 February 2019 (UTC)

The term is quite common in the description of Khoisan languages. I think the info here came from Ladefoged. When doing a GBook check, which pulls up several hits, I discovered that Xiaonong Zhu (2006) A grammar of Shanghai Wu uses the term for a completely unrelated phonation, what have otherwise been called 'buzzed' or 'fricative' vowels. I suspect the common feature may be the buzzing sound of both phonations. Also, according to Amanda Miller-Ockhuizen (2004) The Phonetics and Phonology of Gutturals: A Case Study from Ju|'hoansi, p.89, what Traill labeled "strident" in Ju|'hoan was actually uvularized, but she goes on to say that Esling's description of epiglottals seems to match what have been strident vowels in !Xoo. So I think we might be able to move this article to 'epiglottalized vowel' and leave 'strident' as a dab for that and fricative vowel. Or maybe we could put a hat-note dab on this article.

Viveka Velupillai (2012) An Introduction to Linguistic Typology defines a "strident vowel" as a vowel "produced with a constriction at the root of the glottis", which is inadequate as a functional definition but as a 2ary source does demonstrate that this is a common use of the term. — kwami (talk) 04:16, 8 February 2019 (UTC)

If epiglottalized vowel would include a bit more than just strident vowels, then hopefully it would make things clearer and expand our coverage. Noting, such things don't always clarify as one might hope; a case in point being the redirect from fricative vowel to Syllabic consonant#Syllabic fricatives, where I admit I had struggle to work out that syllabic fricative and fricative vowel are distinct concepts. At least, they're distinct if I understood correctly. --Pi zero (talk) 14:30, 14 February 2019 (UTC)