Talk:Stardust fire

Edits at 21:44, February 14, 2006

I've divided the article into sections as well as re-phrasing certain parts, correcting some minor spelling and grammar errors and adding extra information to the introduction. I've also expanded the paragraph on the Christy Moore song. Does anyone know whether it is permitted to quote the actual offending lines from the lyrics? Deireadh Fómhair 20:47, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

as long as you write the article then it's ok. You are stating a fact. If not some moderator will just delete it. be brave is what they want. go for it. Palx 21:21, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

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"and Christy Moore remains the only person ever to be brought to trial over the Stardust tragedy." No one person was charged on the night of the fire for stealing a car( the person tried to pull a toilet window out to help people escape the fire)(Mf)

Not too sure about this quote, apparently the father of two girls who died in the fire assaulted the owner of the nightclub, and received a suspended sentence.

anon

Location?

Killmore road...

Anyone care to add more info about the location? I.e., what street it was on, what was on the site before (I think the drama mentioned a jam factory) and what's there now.

Located on the Kilmore Road opposite Artane Castle(Shopping Centre) and is now an industrial estate Butterly Business Park,a public house is now in its place and the Industrial estate offices occupy the 'stardust'.To get on to the kilmore road from the city centre drive up the malahide road and take a left a the Goblet Pub and 500 yards on your right behind the maxol Garage, there it is.

Casualties

I will declare a conflict of interest here having lost a distant relative. However BigDunc has no evidence that the list was added as a memorial. Anyone who gives WP:NOT#MEMORIAL more than a cursory glance will see that it does not apply Aatomic1 (talk) 16:21, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

Can you expalin to me so how WP:NOT#MEMORIAL does not apply here? BigDunc (talk) 19:00, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

WP:NOT#MEMORIAL, Part 1 : Wikipedia is not the place to honor departed friends and relatives. - What relevance does this have to this article? (None to my Knowledge)

Part 2 Subjects of encyclopedia articles must be notable besides being fondly remembered. - What relevance does this have to this article? (None to my Knowledge)Aatomic1 (talk) 20:09, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

Apart from the tragic death of these people how do they fit in with this, if they dont conform to this criteria then surely it is only a memorial. BigDunc (talk) 20:20, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

See this discussion: so do you want to start another mediation? --Domer48 (talk) 20:40, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

Glad you brought that up. The answer to both questions

WP:NNC is quite clearly inclusionist in tone:

Notability guidelines do not directly limit article content [1]

• Notability guidelines give guidance on whether a topic is notable enough to be included in Wikipedia as a separate article, but do not specifically regulate the content of articles, which is governed by other guidelines such as those on using reliable sources and on handling trivia. The particular topics and facts within an article are not each required to meet the standard of the notability guidelines[2].

All I get from Domer at here is WP:IDIDNTHEARTHAT. Please dont start that here Aatomic1 (talk) 21:02, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

Notability guidelines give guidance on whether a topic is notable enough to be included in Wikipedia the Stardust meets this criteria. The memorial list, dose not. Address this discussion first, before you go off doing the same thing here. It is obvious you just want to make a point and that is now your sole intension. Now your links don't amount to Jack! And your link to WP:IDIDNTHEARTHAT, amounts to smoke in a bottle. Now, go to this discussion, get consensus, and move on. --Domer48 (talk) 22:35, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

Domer please stop talking gibberish Aatomic1 (talk) 23:37, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

Notability guidelines give guidance on whether a topic is notable enough to be included in Wikipedia as a separate article does the list of the dead warrant an article of it's own? Or am I reading this wrong. BigDunc (talk) 22:53, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

BigDunc I think you have missed the second half of the sentence:

but do not specifically regulate the content of articles, which is governed by other guidelines such as those on using reliable sources and on handling trivia. Aatomic1 (talk) 23:37, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

Aatomic1 I think you have missed the second half of the sentence:

but do not specifically regulate the content of articles, which is governed by other guidelines such as those on using reliable sources and on handling trivia. Such as WP:NOT#MEMORIAL. Now there is an ongoing discussion here. Resolve that first! --Domer48 (talk) 23:48, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

Aatomic1 you should also consider this, and join the discussion. --Domer48 (talk) 23:53, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

Everyone seems to entirely miss what is being said in WP:NOT. This refers to making an entire article about someone who is non-notable, not adding a list of casualties' names in a disaster (look at Dunblane massacre, Columbine_shooting, List of victims of the Virginia Tech massacre, etc., all of which carry lists of names). EamonnPKeane (talk) 23:49, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

There is an ongoing discussion. discussion here. Please join it. --Domer48 (talk) 23:57, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

References

WikiProject Ireland

I have upgraded the importance of this article to "high" on WikiProject Ireland. I believe that this a highly notable event in the contemporary history of Ireland; a national disaster that affected people far beyond Dublin, sparked a public outcry which led the government to review legislation for building fire regulations, inspections and fire brigade training. I also believe that an event of this significance will have a place in the history books for generations to come.Heggyhomolit (talk) 02:09, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

Other remarks

Is a phrase like "There has been a huge cover up as to the cause of so many fatalities" really appropriate? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.79.218.176 (talk) 21:09, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

I agree with you (User talk:109.79.218.176)

Separately, "The protests lasted for 10 weeks and ended when the Butterly family agreed to erect a memorial on the site, and change the name of the pub from "The Silver Swan" to the "Artane House"." Why was Artane House considered any better? What was wrong with "The Silver Swan"? Frenchmalawi (talk) 00:19, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

"The Silver Swan" name brought back many sad memories for the families. (Mobile mundo (talk) 19:20, 13 December 2017 (UTC))

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Request for update

Can someone please add the information that the inquest into the Stardust fire has commenced. Many news reports exist, and there is an official inquest website at https://www.stardustfireinquests.ie/. I do not feel confident to add this information. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alanmuk (talk • contribs) 12:03, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the prompt. Done, briefly - it will be expanded. SeoR (talk) 13:10, 25 April 2023 (UTC)