Talk:St. Augustine's Monastery (Erfurt)
Latest comment: 6 years ago by 82.119.28.240 in topic Friars not monks
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editThis nice entry needs some work on its structure to make it easier to read. OnSpeech (talk) 15:42, 9 March 2018 (UTC)
Friars not monks
editthis article needs re-writing with correct english terms. this monastery - correctly: convent (?) belonged to austin friars, augustine hermits, who are not monks but friars. article's source seems to be the german one; german language does not differentiate between terms friar and monk, or monastery and convent or priory. so, Martin Luther was correct, shouting in german 'ich werde ein mönch', passing Erfurt convent, but correct translation would be 'I will become a friar!' as he meant this mendicant order. BirgittaMTh (talk) 10:52, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
- Hi BirgittaMTh, in general, English uses 'monastery' for male religious orders and 'convent' for where members of female religious orders (nuns) live. St Augustine's own website calls it a monastery, and uses the terms 'monk' and 'hermit' interchangeably - it doesn't use 'friar' at all. Luther is generally referred to as a monk in English in regard to the period that he lived at St Augustine's. Note that is what he is called on the Martin Luther wiki article, and in other articles on English Wikipedia, and in other publications. The UNESCO document regarding world heritage status calls him a "monastic priest" for the period after he was ordained but still living in the monastery. Religious people do sometimes discuss the niceties whether he should be called a monk or a friar, but as Wikipedia is a general encyclopedia, not a theological text, and as the main focus of the article is the architecture, it is best to stick with common usage.82.119.28.240 (talk) 20:59, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
- Btw, "Ich werde ein Mönch" is always translated as "I will become a monk" or "I will be a monk" - it is probably Luther's most famous quote. He wasn't walking past the monastery when he said it (don't know where you got that idea), he was on the outskirts of town. There were at least four monasteries in Erfurt he could have gone to - there is no indication that he meant this particular one. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.119.28.240 (talk) 07:19, 12 November 2018 (UTC)