Talk:Sovereign Military Order of Malta

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Order of Knights of the Hospital of St. Lazarus of Jerusalem

Any information about the Order of St. Lazarus of Jerusalem?

• http://www.google.co.uk/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rls=GGLD,GGLD:2004-46,GGLD:en&q=%22lazarus+of+jerusalem%22

Proposed Merger

The two new articles should not be merged with this one. They are written by representatives of Don Grady, and put forward fraudulent text from a blatantly self styled order. These two articles should be deleted rather than merged into this one.

New Picture

If someone could find the cross of Knights Hospitaller (which I believe was a white cross on a black background) or their seal and replace the portrait of the Knight at the top of the page, that would be a big improvement.

official language

for the constitution of the order http://www.orderofmalta.org/pdf/costituzione.pdf the only official language is the italian.

Sir Miles Davis

Hello, see Miles Davis (later years) to find a cited claim that the Knights of Malta honoured the jazz legend with a knighthood. This is impossible and yet there it is. Ha Ha - it is clearly someone's joke from 1988. Question: The notes in this article clearly show they do not honour artists and their work is of a completely different nature. It will not make any sense to a reader. What should be done?Thelisteninghand (talk) 21:26, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

Thelisteninghand, I don't get it - why do you say that this is "impossible" and "someone's joke"? Elizium23 (talk) 01:12, 2 June 2021 (UTC)

Because both are true.Thelisteninghand (talk) 15:36, 2 June 2021 (UTC)

Thelisteninghand, you have no source or documentation or evidence that this is so. It's just your say-so. It's textbook WP:OR. This is Wikipedia, where we summarize what the sources say, not impose our own conjectures. Elizium23 (talk) 15:49, 2 June 2021 (UTC)

Thanks. Incorrect. The evidence is the documentation that shows the Sovereign Order of St John do not and have never honoured artists PLUS the fact stated in this article that they are often impersonated. Yes that's textbook OR agreed. But it is not simply an opinion. I cannot edit on this basis obviously which is why the text is still there. I realise this is WP.Thelisteninghand (talk) 16:02, 2 June 2021 (UTC)

Thelisteninghand, no artist has ever joined the SMOM? I find that hard to believe and even harder to document. Elizium23 (talk) 16:08, 2 June 2021 (UTC)

Thanks Elizium23 Please look for yourself. https://www.orderofmalta.int Thelisteninghand (talk) 19:27, 4 June 2021 (UTC)

Thelisteninghand, I see the front page of their website. Where is the disclaimer, "artists are not welcome as members"? Elizium23 (talk) 00:12, 5 June 2021 (UTC)

Elizium23 https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Category:Knights_of_Malta Sir Miles Davis is not a member. You should provide a citation from SMOM of any case, at any time, of knighthood of a jazz musician. Thelisteninghand (talk) 17:50, 5 June 2021 (UTC)

In addition to the Sovereign Military Order of Malta, there are a number of other groups which call themselves "Knights of Malta". Some of these claim a connection with the Russian priory of the early 19th century. Others are Masonic organisations. When a source says that somebody is a "Knight of Malta", it does not necessarily mean that the individual belongs to the Sovereign Military Order of Malta. Noel S McFerran (talk) 00:17, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

This needs some clarification. The record producer George Avakian received a medal awarding him membership in the "Knights of Malta" in 1984. His papers at The New York Public Library have photographs of the ceremony at which he was inducted. Avakian also stated that he was proud to have been inducted into the same order as Miles Davis. It would be good to establish precisely which order that is. Reedmanwiki (talk) 16:27, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

Nomination of Julian Chadwick for deletion

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Flags of Knights Hospitaller in Saint Peter's Castle Issue

Underneath the picture, the lowest one is '1454-1451', Is this intentional or just a simple error? FusionSub (talk) 13:29, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

This article indulges nonsense

This article appears to be substantially written by persons who internalize the anachronistic pretensions of the organization. It would be much improved if it was more objective and realistic. 142.181.220.193 (talk) 16:15, 2 September 2023 (UTC)

What the what?

"Sovereign Military Hospitaller Order of Saint John of Jerusalem, of Rhodes and of Malta"

Well i dont know to use this idea where there were 4 ofes in the title but the comma itself can be separate the 2 ofes between word. So how i can do that discussion? Well this is utter no understand since it would be vertigo to me for reading that full title. 2404:8000:1027:B639:6CFF:13AA:C44D:922A (talk) 19:38, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

Citizen Count

The infobox states there are three full S.M.O.M. citizens, but the source is not verifiable. John Sack's book states there are three citizens but there is no citation in the text to any official source and his reporting comes from a personal conversation with Baron Apor in the mid 1950s. Does anyone know of any official source that can corroborate this? Wcg5003 (talk) 14:53, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

Activity of daughter organisations of the order and the Alliance of the Orders of Saint John of Jerusalem

I have entered some content today. How should this content improved. Kind regards Sarcelles (talk) 16:55, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

Which title would be suitable?

Current activity maybe?

Kind regards Sarcelles (talk) 19:37, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

I made it a section. Also, I entered an unrelated competing order into the article. Sarcelles (talk) 19:53, 15 December 2024 (UTC)