Talk:Shingle Creek Crossing

Racially provocative content

Some parts of this page struck me as somewhat racially offensive. Maybe I'm reading to much into it, but specifically this part seems to be insinuating that a decline in the white population was the cause of a rise in crime: "The 2010 census revealed that Brooklyn Center had become the first Twin Cities community to have a plurality of white residents. Whites constitute just 49% of the population of the city, down from 71% in the year 2000. Over time, crime rates in the city increased and Brookdale became unsafe for families due to gang and drug activity." Asderfut 20:18, 27 November 2012 (CST)

VERY racist! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.18.0.121 (talk) 03:22, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

Copy edit

Yikes. This page needs it badly. I counted a crapload of grammatical errors. Oh well, at least the info seems factual enough (albeit unreferenced). I fixed a few errors here and there (most notably the "it's"/"its" issues) but I may need some help. TenPoundHammer 12:50, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Name of the article

I do not understand why the current name of this article is Shingle Creek Crossing, the name of the former mall is called Brookdale Center or commonly referred to as Brookdale Mall. It was one of was part of "The Dales", what was referred to as the four "Dale" centers circling the Twin Cities. A good majority of the article is about Brookdale Center and its unique history. The current development which occupies the land of the former mall, which was demolished, is now referred to as Shingle Creek Crossing and consists of a Walmart, TJMaxx, LA Fitness and couple of other stores. They are brick-and-mortar stores and is not an enclosed shopping mall as it is more a commercial development with a branded name. The Shingle Creek Crossing section should be split off or the original Brookdale Center name should stick because to me it is misleading as they are different developments. A Newspapers.com search shows Brookdale Center and Brookdale Mall yielding significantly more results than Shingle Creek Crossing. TenPoundHammer, your thoughts? JayJay^{What did I do?} 04:16, 31 January 2021 (UTC)

• @JayJay: Precedent is that article names are supposed to reflect the current name of something; WP:NAMECHANGES says "If the reliable sources written after the change is announced routinely use the new name, Wikipedia should follow suit and change relevant titles to match." Compare Wonderland Village (not Wonderland Mall), Tri-City Pavilions (not Tri-City Mall), The Shoppes at College Hills (not College Hills Mall), The Loop (Methuen, Massachusetts), etc. There is the potential for ongoing changes and coverage of the mall in its present state, meaning that said sources will refer to things happening at "Shingle Creek Crossing"; the latter name has fewer hits only because there's been less time for it to be used. Also, a split would not make sense since there is rarely a definitive timeline as to when the "old mall" ended and the "new mall" began; see the GA-class Colonial Plaza for an example of a unified article covering a shopping center that has been transformed. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 04:57, 31 January 2021 (UTC)

• @TenPoundHammer: I understand where you are coming from but I noticed that Silver Lake Village has its own article, which is a similar development to Shingle Creek Crossing and it replaced Apache Plaza on the same site. So there is precedent to having separate articles in the Twin Cities area for different developments on the same site. There is a pretty definitive timeline as when the "old mall" ended and the "new mall" began given how the mall was demolished and rebuilt in 2012 which is the same case as what happened to Apache Plaza when it was demolished and rebuilt into the new development in 2004. Given the extensive history and being the third shopping mall (ironically after Apache Plaza) in the Twin Cities, Brookdale is probably meets notability guidelines to have a separate article. JayJay^{What did I do?} 00:09, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

@JayJay: The Apache Plaza and Silver Lake Village articles are both very short and could stand to be merged, which I will do right now. I can't see an individual mall's page getting so long that the redevelopment name has its own article. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 01:42, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

Name

There is a long standing precedent that shopping mall articles keep the current name if re-developed. Wonderland Village not Wonderland Mall, NetPark Tampa Bay not East Lake Square, Powerplex STL not St. Louis Mills, Silver Lake Village not Apache Plaza, Tri-City Pavilions not Tri-City Mall, The Loop (shopping center) not Methuen Mall, etc. The previous name can be retained as a {{r from former name}}. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 17:12, 10 May 2022 (UTC)