Talk:Shepard Smith/Archive 2

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• Huntster Said the image was WP:UNDUE so I changed the caption so it didn't mention that it was a mugshot at all. I don't agree with WP:UNDUE but fine, I understand how it could've been interpreted that way; I made the compromise.
• Collect Says claims it is a "really really bad photo" but, it is a much higher quality image than the one currently residing in the infobox; which is incredibly blurry and out of focus, the subject is obscured by a television set and shown at distance, it is a low res crop, and generally not a very quality image overall.

(as an aside: many other images for articles in Template:Fox News personalities are poor quality as well - anyone from New York got a camera?)

The rationale for usage of File:Shepard Smith.jpg is because it illustrates the physical appearance of the article's subject better than the current image in use. It also serves as a historical image, which is common in many biographies (eg: Cher, Geraldo Rivera, Joan Rivers, Willie Nelson(WP:GA)). I would have put it in the infobox were the thing not so dated. We only have the two Free images available for Shep; if there were better ones I'd include those instead. We could throw a fair use image up but that is not particularly desirable. -- dsprc ^[talk] 09:11, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

Using a non-free image in a BLP is not just undesirable, but against our policies. I maintain that using a mugshot for an article where there was no conviction or, I believe, even a trial, violates UNDUE, but others may disagree. — Huntster (t @ c) 09:39, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

Not true. First, the image is free, second, non-free images are allowed as long as there's a FUR that's valid (i.e. meets our policies). Still don't think we should use it, per UNDUE though.--Elvey^(t•c) 05:17, 21 July 2015 (UTC)

Using the mug shot under any name is not a great idea - it is a truly horrid image. And calling it "historical" is risible. Collect (talk) 12:26, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

Per WP:MUG (part of BLP), "Images of living persons should not be used out of context to present a person in a false or disparaging light. This is particularly important for police booking photographs (mugshots)..." Using a mugshot creates the impression, rightly or wrongly, that the person has a significant criminal record. While this is appropriate in Al Capone (where he is notable for his criminal activities), it is not appropriate at (for example) Mel Gibson, even though the arrest was high profile, because the arrest was only of note because Gibson is notable. In the present case, Smith is clearly not notable for anything other than being on Fox News. That we don't have a good image without it does not excuse presenting an inaccurate and disparaging impression. - SummerPhD (talk) 14:14, 26 August 2014 (UTC)