Talk:Sexposition

Game of Thrones content

I'm not sure that the Game of Thrones material recently added properly belongs here. It's more about the use of sex or sexposition in that particular series, and not about the narrative technique in general, and may be more appropriately included in that articles about the series. We can't cover all uses of the technique in all works that have used it here.  Sandstein  06:11, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

Beyond the word coming from critics writing about the series, it serves as the (only) extant example of the narrative technique. The director anecdote was, as mentioned in the edit history, his response to the interview question on sexposition. Whether it best fits here can be reconsidered once there are examples from other shows in the article. Ylee (talk) 06:42, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

PS - I didn't mention it in the article, but the SNL skit specifically references the Littlefinger scene that McNutt cited when he coined "sexposition". Samberg's character claims that he advised the addition of lesbian sex to make what would otherwise have just been Littlefinger's monologue "work" dramatically on screen. Although the word is not used, it is clearly an example--satirical as it may be--of sexposition. Ylee (talk) 06:48, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

If you read the Guardian article cited here, it talks of many examples of the technique used in other works. Also, the content at issue is not really about sexposition as a narrative technique, but about the broader issue of (unnecessary) sexual content in the one series Game of Thrones. Neither the SNL sketch nor the Marshall anecdote addresses the issue of exposition; they are about the show's perceived excess of nudity more generally. This makes this content rather distracting, in my opinion, in this article, but it may be better suited to Game_of_Thrones_(TV_series)#Critical_response.  Sandstein  10:57, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

But what makes sexposition controversial and attention-grabbing is the amount of nudity, not the nudity per se. HBO and other shows of course use nudity all the time, including what retroactively can be called sexposition, but Game of Thrones' use (specifically in the Littlefinger scene) was so egregious that it caused McNutt to coin the word. The two issues--sexposition and excessive nudity--can't be readily separated. Ylee (talk) 16:21, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

I disagree; Sexposition is excessive nudity accompanying exposition, which is not the issue in the content you added. I'd rather not see this article become a dumping ground for everything related to "sex in Game of Thrones"; that should go into the article(s) that are specifically about the series.  Sandstein  16:29, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

I don't think we're really disagreeing here. Game of Thrones had nudity from the first episode, but arguably it was justifiable from a storytelling/fidelity-to-the-books perspective. (The show left out nudity in at least one scene from the books, the one where Ned and Catelyn receive Lysa's letter.) The sexposition complain/mockery only appeared with Littlefinger/lesbians and later scenes, of which the sex acts could not be so justified. I agree that this article should not be a dumping ground for all discussion/criticism of nudity on Game of Thrones, but I don't see a danger of that happening as long as any such discussion is reserved only for gratuituous nudity as backdrop for exposition, the ones that critics describe as sexposition. (As mentioned, the Marshall anecdote was specifically an answer to a question about sexposition. I've clarified in the article that the SNL skit also references the Littlefinger scene.) Ylee (talk) 16:51, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

Origin

The phrase "Sex Position Fairy" was used to describe the Boston Public character of Louisa Fenn (who had previously been refered to as the "Exposition Fairy") in two November 2000 recaps on Television Without Pity. For whatever that's worth. Tony Fuchs (talk) 13:00, 13 February 2013 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.62.97.98 (talk)

I am glad that this article was not deleted, because I think it is article-worthy, but it is clear that sexposition was not coined in 2011, and was not coined by who the article says it is. Unfortunately, I no have a source but I will look. 'Sexposition' is an interesting thing to search for.--Mace Tyrell, Lord of Highgarden. 23:42, 6 April 2013 (UTC)

In the director's commentary track to A Knight's Tale, Brian Helgeland states that he used the term "sexposition" to explain to one of his actors (Rufus Sewell) that what his character was doing while explaining the rules of jousting to a woman watching the lists was essentially trying to seduce her. From the character's perspective, he could have been talking about the weather, it was how he said it that mattered. From the audience's perspective, they were being told what to look for in the jousts to come. 50.70.187.25 (talk) 23:33, 3 April 2014 (UTC)TD

I came here to also mention the use in HBO's "Making Of" documentary on "A Knight's Tale," which was released in 2001-02. Paul Bettany (plays Chaucer) states that the director, Brian, used the term to describe the above-mentioned scene.

Sraboy (talk) 00:12, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

The Pope in the Pool

This is an obvious example of using "The Pope in the Pool"--a screenwriting technique coined by Blake Snyder in his Save the Cat series to make exposition more palatable by distracting the viewer's attention from the necessary explanations.

98.196.168.113 (talk) 15:42, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

Update to criticism/defence?

Some of the comments are a few years old now. Might be worth updating now that sexposition scenes have become a full-fledged cliche on TV and they've become more and more explicit especially in some of the streaming shows like OITNB and Sense8. 68.146.52.234 (talk) 23:07, 3 November 2015 (UTC)

etymology references

I believe these are not used correctly. What we should say is who coined the phrase and when and where, and then we should use a reference to back up that claim. Will take a stab at fixing this now CapnZapp (talk) 16:59, 16 August 2021 (UTC)