Talk:Serhii Sternenko

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Party membership

He was a member of "Right Sector" until 2017, then he was an Independent. Nowadays he is a coordinator for Serhiy's Prytula "24 AUGUST". 2A02:3030:807:1ABF:1:0:510:3612 (talk) 15:43, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

Thank you. So why are allowing Soberpapajohn to continually keep sourcing an antiquated BBC source and peddling misinformation that he is “far right”? 45.237.49.5 (talk) 18:38, 12 April 2023 (UTC)

What are the sources that say otherwise? —C.Fred (talk) 23:03, 12 April 2023 (UTC)

Far-right?

While he is definitely a nationalist(there is no denying that), he isn't radical at all. I think simply "Nationalist" or perhaps "right-wing nationalist" would be more appropriate. 2A02:3030:80C:C1B1:1:0:A1DE:B297 (talk) 22:28, 28 April 2023 (UTC)

I agree, there is no evidence of current "far-right" political activity of Serhii.This term means in Western World an extremist, radically conservative and authoritarian. Sternenko is constantly сalls for the enforcement of Ukrainian and international laws and to humane handling of prisoners of war. How come this can called extreme? It is oppose of that. He is definitely anti-authoritarian as he fight against far-right ultra-conservatism of Putin dictatorial regime.

His social views is rather progressive then conservative. Slavic Positron Cannon (talk) 05:38, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

@Slavic Positron Cannon Please provide sources that have documented his move to the left over the past year. The term "far-right" comes from this reliable source written in February 2022: The march was organised by a right-wing nationalist group called Gonor and anti-Zelensky far-right activist Sergiy Sternenko… ^{[emphasis added]} —C.Fred (talk) 11:51, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

I am disagree that i should provide you something. Its oppose - you should prove that he is "extremist, radically conservative and authoritarian" another words - "far-right". There is no evidence of that. Page should be edited and text about "far-right" should be removed as misinformation. Slavic Positron Cannon (talk) 12:45, 25 July 2023 (UTC)

I watch recently his video blog almost every day, and to me Serhii is common sense moderate. I check out your status, and discovered, that you know well only one language - english. So why you are here? You do not know ukrainian language, you are incapable to watch Serhii blog on ukrainian. Why you telling ME, a person who watched hundreds of his vlogs who is Sternenko? Did you miss a coasts? Maybe you should check pages about english language bloggers - the only language you know well.

I mean how possibly you can understand topic well, if you does not understand ukrainian language AT ALL. Slavic Positron Cannon (talk) 12:51, 25 July 2023 (UTC)

@Slavic Positron Cannon, please keep in mind that you always should assume Wikipedia editors are acting in good faith, and there is absolutely no indication to think that C.Fred is not. I am in agreement with you over the debate, but it's not as simple as watching his YouTube videos and coming up with our own conclusions: in Wikipedia, sources are what's needed, not personal opinions or evaluations of the editors. As pointed out already however, the first two sources were poorly utilized as mentioned ("Poor usage of sources: they do not explain, illustrate or contextualize Sternenko's alleged connection to far right ideals (whatever they might be). Why not use a source that talks specifically about Sternenko, instead of one that quickly mentions him in a single sentence?"). --Dynamo128 (talk) 13:10, 25 July 2023 (UTC)

Dear, Dynamo128, policy with "one doubtfull source is enough" is why wikipedia stated at some point that picaroon and imposter Pierre Spray in his wikipidea article in 2014 was called "co-designer F-16 and creator(!!!) of the A-10" . It took years and long battles with stubborn people, to clean up the mess and bring page about Pierre Spray in adequate condition. Slavic Positron Cannon (talk) 13:22, 25 July 2023 (UTC)

I appreciate your concern, but I had nothing to do with those discussions, I just came here to work on this specific page, and so: I hope you are at least satisfied with the much more comprehensive page now. If you would like to clarify what you mean when you said "his social views are rather progressive than conservative", I suppose I could find a way to work that into the article too if the sourcing is good enough. --Dynamo128 (talk) 19:35, 25 July 2023 (UTC)

The source may be reliable because it's a reliable website, but the source itself does not explain what makes him far-right. Here's a counter source. I do agree the page should be edited. --Dynamo128 (talk) 08:56, 25 July 2023 (UTC)

@Dynamo128 Is the counter-source reliable? I can't find anything on the credentials or editorial policy of Mediazone. —C.Fred (talk) 12:03, 25 July 2023 (UTC)

It's not a mainstream publication the way BBC is, but it is a respected and long-standing Russian news site founded by members of Pussy Riot, so I at least personally have no reason to assume ill will on part of their reporting. Wikipedia has an article on them as well and no problems have been reported in regards to it. Mediazona has also been praised by Meduza, a very well respected news website. I will try to google in russian to see if I find anything more specific, though. --Dynamo128 (talk) 12:30, 25 July 2023 (UTC)

Sternenko WAS(keyword) Far-right, as many juvenile teenagers from Ukraine were after they joined radical groups during the Revolution of Dignity, throughout the 2010s he moderated his positions and this year he gave a interview for the very well respected source of "Ukrainska Pravda" in which he even said that "Ethnic Russians fighting in the Ukrainian Armed forces should be able to strive for citizenship".

https://www.pravda.com.ua/rus/news/2023/05/4/7400622/index.amp 2A02:3030:815:366A:1:0:664A:231A (talk) 18:51, 25 July 2023 (UTC)

Missing information

Anything about his life before the Revolution of Dignity is missing, also his participation in the Odessa 2014 clashes. 2A02:3030:804:918C:1:0:BB8D:77F7 (talk) 21:44, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

The information has been added now. --Dynamo128 (talk) 19:32, 25 July 2023 (UTC)

Football Ultra

He is publicly known to be a supporter of the Chornomorets Odesa football club, for which he was an Ultras during the early 2010s, which in turn led him to join Right Sector like many of his comrades of the stadium. 2A02:3030:815:366A:1:0:664A:231A (talk) 18:55, 25 July 2023 (UTC)

It would be great to add this information to the article. Do you have a source? --Dynamo128 (talk) 19:21, 25 July 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 November 2023

He is not far right! Soberpapajohn is continuing relentless vandalism and slander. Please undo his edits! 201.229.238.87 (talk) 14:19, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Also note that the current "far-right" statement is supported by a BBC article, which is considered a reliable source per WP:RSPBBC. Liu1126 (talk) 14:26, 7 November 2023 (UTC)