Talk:SS (disambiguation)

SS

This page (as transferred bodily from `Ss') includes this line:-

Stockholm Skins, a neo-nazi organization in Stockholm, Sweden.

Is this organization important enough to be included here?

Very likely not. At least until it gets an article.

Anyway, it seems to me that the best way to organize pages like this is not alphabetically, but using an estimate of what the most common usgaes are. Obviously this is not an exact science, but there are some uses of SS that are obviously much more common than others (the Stockholm Skins being near the bottom, and schutzstaffel being near the top). Anyone mind if I take a stab at reorganization, or want to have input on what the rankings should be? -R. fiend 16:52, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

Simplified Spelling

Conversations about simplified spelling among enthusiasts, e.g., of the Simplified Spelling Society, inevitably result in the use of 'SS' as an acronym. --Etaonsh 21:09, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

will have to include 'suspended solids'

My prof used the term SS for suspended solids and I had to look it up. I think it should be included in the SS disambiguation page under Biology.

Also, in the article for 'suspended solids', there is mention of 'settleable solids', also abbreviated SS, which contribute to the blocking of sewer pipes.

125.131.17.70 (talk) 09:23, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Requested move

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The result of the move request was: no consensus to move page. GTBacchus^(talk) 17:02, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

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SS (disambiguation) → SS — I am requesting this be moved to SS, as there are several common uses of the acronym 'SS' and that the disambiguation page should be there.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.142.152.104 (talk • contribs) 19:56, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

• Oppose. Base name should redirect to the primary topic, even if there are several common uses of the title. The current primary topic appears to be the primary topic based on incoming wikilinks. -- JHunterJ (talk) 20:32, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
• Oppose there may be several common uses, but one is by far the best known, see WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. PatGallacher (talk) 21:14, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
• Oppose WP:PRIMARYTOPIC is the WWII-era Nazi organization. 70.29.212.131 (talk) 04:14, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

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don't need to double this link

1. is the redirection,
2. is the article.

AVS (talk) 10:41, 10 October 2017 (UTC)

United States Secret Service

Would it be fine to write United States Secret Service, Commonly Abbreviated to SS under other. i'm new to Wikipedia but have been told that it's a good idea to consult the other Wikipedians. also, I notice that there's a br tag in the formatting. Does html formatting work on Wikipedia? Thank you! Cloaker416 (talk) 05:20, 8 May 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for reaching out. With very few exceptions, we only include an article if the abbreviation is mentioned in the target article. In this case, the article suggests that the abbreviation "USSS" is used, but I'm not seeing a reference to just "SS". Generally html tags don't work in wiki markup and I didn't find any br tag when searching the source text here. Where are you seeing it? -- Fyrael (talk) 05:43, 8 May 2018 (UTC)

Thankyou for answering in a timely manner! I noticed when you press the line break symbol on the editor, it inserts a < > with a br enclosed Cloaker416 (talk) 03:26, 10 May 2018 (UTC)

Move discussion in progress which may affect this page

There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Schutzstaffel which may affect this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. Steel1943 (talk) 20:27, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

Requested move 13 April 2022

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The result of the move request was: not moved to the proposed title at this time, per the discussion below. Dekimasuよ! 11:17, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

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SS (disambiguation) → SS – This is a follow-up to the discussion which recently occurred at Talk:Schutzstaffel#Requested move 28 March 2022. In that discussion, the idea that the disambiguation page should be moved due to the claim that "SS" no longer primary refers to Schutzstaffel was explored there, but no consensus was formed for either that page move or the proposed page move. In the previous discussion, there was evidence presented that readers looking up "SS" could reasonably/frequently be looking for other topics on the disambiguation page, such as the ship prefix "SS" (which can stand for "steamboat" or "steamship".) Also, a Google Ngrams search for "Schutzstaffel", "steamboat", "steam boat", "steamship", and "steam ship" shows that at present, "Schutzstaffel" seems dwarfed by "steamboat" and "steamship" in general. (Not sure if this illustrates how often these terms are referred to as "SS" individually, but seems as though recent books reference the naval vehicles over the organization.) For these reasons, I think it will be more help for our readers to arrive at the disambiguation page so they can figure out what subject they are attempting to locate. Steel1943 (talk) 19:03, 13 April 2022 (UTC) — Relisting.  ASUKITE 19:34, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

• Agree with this, since SS can stand for shortstop in American baseball and also for social security in U.S. parlance, as well as the fact that SS has historically graced British steamships, the disambiguation makes sense to me. --Obenritter (talk) 20:23, 13 April 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose per WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT. The primary meaning of "SS" in English is Schutzstaffel. Rreagan007 (talk) 01:30, 14 April 2022 (UTC)

I don't think anyone is proposing anything that conflicts with PRIMARYREDIRECT. The discussion here is about why Schutzstaffel should or should not be the primary topic. -- Fyrael (talk) 14:15, 14 April 2022 (UTC)

• Support --Eldomtom2 (talk) 10:22, 14 April 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose based on page views [1] 'Schutzstaffel' is pretty clearly a primary topic. You would have to show that a common name for 'South Sudan' is 'SS' to have a case for no primary—blindlynx 14:30, 14 April 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose - In addition to the overwhelming page views of Schutzstaffel, most of the other contenders are not known primarily as "SS" (the ship abbreviations are a notable exception). I think almost nobody is going to search for shortstop or Social Security using "SS", while most users seeking Schutzstaffel would use the abbreviation. -- Fyrael (talk) 14:58, 14 April 2022 (UTC)
• Support per reasons listed by nominator. Between the ship prefix, the Nazi organization, the baseball abbreviation, etc — there's multiple topics that could be referred to by this abbreviation — I'd argue there's no primary topic, and that, quite frankly, the safest bet would be to have the disambiguation page at the basename. Paintspot Infez (talk) 15:54, 14 April 2022 (UTC)
• support, ss is a common abbreviation for many notable things, like steamship, south sudan, other than Schutzstaffel. RZuo (talk) 12:49, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose, considering page views and linked pages, the Nazi organization is by far still primary topic for this. older ≠ wiser 13:04, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose Gooduserdude (talk) 16:31, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose – page views indicate that the current redirect is the appropriate choice. Favonian (talk) 17:36, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

Oppose. There is a WP:PRIMARYTOPIC for this term, and it is the current target of the SS redirect. Moving the disambiguation page to usurp the current redirect is Ill-advised in this light. — Mhawk10 (talk) 18:53, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

Note: WikiProject Disambiguation has been notified of this discussion. ASUKITE 19:35, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

Relisting comment - Currently sitting at 5 for and 7 against, although this is leaning oppose the topic seems relevant enough to deserve a little more time. ASUKITE 19:36, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose - although I just relisted this, I noticed the number of direct links to SS is pretty significant as well, which is going to be a lot of work to fix. Although it's certainly not impossible, I feel there are better uses for our time. I also agree that it appears to be the primary topic, based on the above replies. ASUKITE 19:46, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose, I reckon Schutzstaffel is still primary for SS.--Ortizesp (talk) 20:56, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose This WikiNav report shows that over 80% of the people who click on a link in the dab go to Schutzstaffel. Adding readers that type SS in the search box and go their directly via the redirect, this is clearly the PT. MB 23:30, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
• Support per the nominator's rationale. Searching Google for "SS", I see the top hits are a mix of Schutzstaffel and Social Security (and others). ╠╣uw [talk] 09:51, 22 April 2022 (UTC)

Surely what we care about is the behavior of users browsing Wikipedia, not what's produced by Google's algorithm. Google results and ngrams should count far less than our own metrics, which so far all point to the current primary topic being miles ahead of others. -- Fyrael (talk) 14:04, 22 April 2022 (UTC)

Agreed, they certainly count less. But it's still relevant to note that for "SS" in Google, the Nazi organization doesn't appear first (or second, or third). ╠╣uw [talk] 11:07, 23 April 2022 (UTC)

Wrong search term used! If you do a google search for "SS", enclosing it in quotes, Schutzstaffel pops right up to the top of the list, with the Wikipedia article being third. The two above are dictionary entries for "SS" being an abbreviation for Schutzstaffel. If anything, this is evidence that the Schutzstaffel should move to SS because the existing article title is not in ENGLISH, but the appreviation is a commonly recognized name in English. - Cameron Dewe (talk) 02:25, 24 April 2022 (UTC)

No, a correct search at Google even with "SS" in quotes does not give Schutzstaffel as the first result.

"SS" -wikipedia -wiki

First result: Social Security. ╠╣uw [talk] 11:22, 24 April 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose: Schutzstaffel is the primary topic. --K.e.coffman (talk) 15:03, 22 April 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose: Schutzstaffel remains the primary topic; no evidence that has changed. OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 15:11, 22 April 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose: If one compares the link counts for SS and Schutzstaffel, over a third of all links to the primary topic are redirects through SS. If this page is moved, who will change the +2000 affected articles that depend on the redirect? Also, the article Schutzstaffel, which is a German language title, has a much better claim as a WP:COMMONNAME to SS than the disambiguation page does. - Cameron Dewe (talk) 02:25, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose per WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT. Rreagan007 (talk) 16:34, 24 April 2022 (UTC)

  — Duplicate vote: Rreagan007 (talk • contribs) has already cast a vote above.

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