Talk:Royal Academy of Turku
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Name?
editIs there any particular reason why the "The" is part of the article's name? Why not just "Royal Academy of Turku"? Tomas e (talk) 20:26, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
- And why is the name of this Swedish royal academy in Finnish? A case of historical revisionism? Aaker (talk) 11:15, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
- The Finnish name should probably be mentioned last, but it is worth mentioning. The academy is often mentioned in Finnish context and should be recognized also by the Finnish name. --LPfi (talk) 08:24, 30 September 2011 (UTC)
- Yes, it's always hard to translate historical names. This academy was very little known in the English-speaking world and it didn't have an English name. If the city should be called Turku or Åbo is an issue because both names have been used since the begining of time (or at least almost). Åbo is probably the most historically correct name because Swedish was the dominant language at the time but on the other hand, most people outside the Nordic countries know the city by its Finnish name (if they know about at all). Aaker (talk) 00:27, 7 October 2011 (UTC)
- Indeed, the royal academy was probably never known in the English speaking world during its own time so neither 'royal academy of Turku' or 'royal academy of Åbo' is historical. The rules for onomastics concerning the country of Finland are fairly simple. Basically, outside of Scandinavia, things that don't have an established name are named according to demographics. Turku is the name of the city in English (even when talking about the period under Swedish rule). The analogy of this is that we call London London and not Londinium even when talking about the Roman period even if that was its original official name. We also call the remains of Roman walls located in the city 'London wall' and not 'Londinium wall'... Clarifer (talk) 19:09, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
- On the other hand we do call Paris Lutetia when talking about the Roman period. Similarly, we talk about Batavia, Leningrad, Constantinople, Stalingrad, Leopoldville, Hispalis, New Amsterdam etc. when talking about those cities in an historical context. Aaker (talk) 23:51, 8 October 2012 (UTC)
- Indeed, the royal academy was probably never known in the English speaking world during its own time so neither 'royal academy of Turku' or 'royal academy of Åbo' is historical. The rules for onomastics concerning the country of Finland are fairly simple. Basically, outside of Scandinavia, things that don't have an established name are named according to demographics. Turku is the name of the city in English (even when talking about the period under Swedish rule). The analogy of this is that we call London London and not Londinium even when talking about the Roman period even if that was its original official name. We also call the remains of Roman walls located in the city 'London wall' and not 'Londinium wall'... Clarifer (talk) 19:09, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
- Yes, it's always hard to translate historical names. This academy was very little known in the English-speaking world and it didn't have an English name. If the city should be called Turku or Åbo is an issue because both names have been used since the begining of time (or at least almost). Åbo is probably the most historically correct name because Swedish was the dominant language at the time but on the other hand, most people outside the Nordic countries know the city by its Finnish name (if they know about at all). Aaker (talk) 00:27, 7 October 2011 (UTC)
- Old thread, but. One can't really compare it to Roman times as both Åbo and Turku are de jure official names for the bilingual city of Turku. However the standing recommendation is to use the name used in the city's major language in English texts. For more information see the Guidelines set up by The Institute for the Languages of Finland (In Swedish)[1] Romuruotsalainen (talk) 11:06, 28 January 2019 (UTC)
Requested move
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The result of the move request was: moved to "Royal Academy of Turku". DrKiernan (talk) 09:40, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
The Royal Academy of Turku → Royal Academy of Åbo –
Reasons for request: First, the definite article "The" should not be included in the headline. Second, this was a Swedish royal which was established in Turku/Åbo when Finland was still an integral part of Sweden. Swedish was the only administrative language at the time and the dominant language in general. Aaker (talk) 00:37, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
- Support For consistency reasons. Hill Crest's WikiLaser! (BOOM!) 02:07, 11 October 2012 (UTC)
- Oppose: Literature uses "Royal Academy of Turku" much more often than "Royal Academy of Abo" (gbooks: 191 hits vs. 47, only 9 of them are newer than 1900!). But of course I support dropping the article and moving to Royal Academy of Turku. --RJFF (talk) 07:56, 16 October 2012 (UTC)
- Oppose the suggested title, per RJFF. Support Royal Academy of Turku as the usual name in English. --Bejnar (talk) 22:16, 16 October 2012 (UTC)
- Oppose, with the arguments of RJFF. Can be moved to 'Royal Academy of Turku' (without "The"). --Jaakko Sivonen (talk) 07:05, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
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