Talk:Rosie Malek-Yonan

Not Iranian

According to her 2006 Congressional Testimony on Capitol Hill she states under oath: "I am an Assyrian. I am an American citizen." Here's the link to the transcript. Her testimony begins on page 117 http://commdocs.house.gov/committees/intlrel/hfa28430.000/hfa28430_0f.htm. Zayya 05:20, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, because a beetle says he's not a beetle it means we take that for granted and as a fact, eh? Unfortunately for your self interpretation of her words, her official website confirms she was raised up in Iran and lived there till at least 1980. http://www.rosiemalek-yonan.com/biography-rosiem.html It doesnt mean she's Iranian or Iranian-American anymore especially if she identifies as such, but she still has ties to there (Iran) and by knowing that certain categories should be listed on her page showing that she originally was born and raised up in Iran. - LouisAragon (talk) 20:35, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

There you go again with your assumptions. I don't know about beetles but the fact is that she is an American citizen and an Assyrian. End of subject. Her declaration in front of the United States Congress is enough to put an end to this discussion. If the U.S. government accepts and recognizes her identity as she asserts then that should suffice for Wikipedia. You need to calm down. You seem a bit out of control on this "Iranian" issue.Zayya (talk) 21:20, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

She is NOT Iranian, and she takes issue with Wikipedia on her website, despite LouisAragon's insistence that she is. https://rosiemalekyonan.wordpress.com/2017/03/19/listen-up-wikipedia/ nephos9 (talk) Nephos9 (talk) 03:39, 9 April 2017 (UTC)

Iranian-American

Rosie Malek-Yonan is an Assyrian-American who happened to have been born in Iran. She is not an Iranian-American, and she is not of Persian ancestry. Her own website www.RosieMalek-Yonan.com clearly states she's Assyrian-American under the "biography" section, and that is how she identified. She is part of the Assyrian diaspora; hence the correction I made that keeps being changed. Why is she not being defined as "Assyrian-American"? Nephos9 (talk) 02:26, 9 April 2017 (UTC)

"Iranian-American" is cited to US Department of State. Regarding self-identification, this can be mentioned but is not how we officially classify people on WP. See the long-running discussion at Talk:Nikola Tesla/Nationality and ethnicity for instance. I agree with a recent editor there who said "statements on [a subject's] nationality are not WP:reliable sources; many people self-identify with nationalities which are different from their legal nationality". - Bri (talk) 03:18, 9 April 2017 (UTC)

I have requested semi-protection of this article to deal with disruption and lack of engagement in this conversation. Note that refusal to participate in consensus editing is considered disruptive editing. - Bri (talk) 17:46, 10 April 2017 (UTC)

@Bri: first of all, there is no rule to classify people based solely on their birthplace. Being born in Germany doesn't automagically make you a German. Sure, there is the case of Nicola Tesla, but the example is not a precedent everyone should follow. Secondly, you reverted my good-faith edits deleting a number of reputable sources (some of them scholarly) and reinstated a single reference by the DoS. That has been taken down by the DoS. And that does not prove anything, since it's entirely possible the source used the "Iranian" the same way some media talk about the "Polish death camps". You also reverted my expansion of the lede, without actually explaining why. Please do so. //Halibutt 05:34, 19 April 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for replying. I didn't see this before I posted to BLPN. But maybe an outside opinion would help.anyway. I don't have a dog in the race as far as this individual or this nationality in general, I just want to see consistent policies across BLPs. My opinion is that the best RS should govern. - Bri (talk) 13:20, 19 April 2017 (UTC)

She self-identifies as Assyrian here which are her words spoken before a house committee. Yes, Assyrian people are found in parts of Iran and Iraq, but it doens't change who they are. She says she's Assyrian, she's Assyrian.  Ҝ Ø Ƽ Ħ  19:15, 19 April 2017 (UTC)

• Comment - The Infobox nationality field should not be used for ethnicity, per the consensus at this discussion. It should simply state American. - Ryk72 ^'c.s.n.s.' 09:35, 21 April 2017 (UTC)

Sorry, Ryk72, that consensus is for Bernie Sanders infobox, for for infoboxes in general.  Ҝ Ø Ƽ Ħ  12:46, 29 April 2017 (UTC)

Both the RfC question Should Wikipedia allow ethnicity to be marked in Infoboxes? and the consensus are "for infoboxes in general". - Ryk72 ^'c.s.n.s.' 12:51, 29 April 2017 (UTC)