Talk:Robert Boyle

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"Chevalier"

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Is this supposed to indicate that Boyle was a Cavalier (i.e. as opposed to a Roundhead), an adherent of Charles I? From the context it appears so. I couldn't find any other references to this in relation to Boyle. Since, as I say, it does appear to relate to the Cavaliers, why is it given in the French form here? No source is cited so checking isn't possible either. To be honest, that entire paragraph is written slightly oddly. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.144.78.132 (talk) 00:01, 2 May 2020 (UTC)Reply

Thank you for your attention. Despite its presence unmodified in the article for 14 years, this passage is of extremely dubious provenance, added by a disreputable IP editor, and so I have removed it for lack of a reliable secondary source, with no prejudice to re-adding if such a source is turned up. Elizium23 (talk) 00:10, 2 May 2020 (UTC)Reply

Semi-protected edit request on 8 June 2020

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Robert Hooke should be added as one of those influenced by Boyle. TheLittleTramp (talk) 15:32, 8 June 2020 (UTC)Reply

  Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made.  Darth Flappy «Talk» 15:37, 8 June 2020 (UTC)Reply

Semi-protected edit request on 23 June 2020

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Add the following source to the list of Further Reading:

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Banchetti-Robino, Marina Paola, The Chemical Philosophy of Robert Boyle: Mechanicism, Chymical Atoms, and Emergence, Oxford: Oxford University Press, 2020. ISBN 978-0-197-50250-1 MPBanchetti (talk) 19:50, 23 June 2020 (UTC)Reply

  Not done: We shouldn't link a book for further reading if it hasn't yet been published; and even if it is from OUP, I'd like to wait for some form of review about this book to ascertain how useful it is. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 21:53, 23 June 2020 (UTC)Reply
The book by Banchetti-Robino has now been published (by OUP in 2020) and widely reviewed by top scholars for top journals in the field (for example, by Alan Chalmers for 'Foundations of Chemistry', by L.S. Keating for the 'Journal of the History of Philosophy', by Antonio Clericuzio for 'Ambix', by William Eaton for 'History of Philosophy of Science', and Ashley Inglehart for 'Isis'). It is now regarded as the definitive study of Robert Boyle's chemical philosophy and 'Studies for the History and Philosophy of Science' is currently devoting a book forum to this book. MPBanchetti (talk) 20:10, 13 September 2022 (UTC)Reply
Could you provide links to those reviews? Actualcpscm (talk) 10:16, 8 June 2023 (UTC)Reply

Anglo-Irish

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Again - Northern Ireland has zero relevency here as it did not exist for over 200 years after Boyle's death, and whether or not some people find "Anglo-Irish" offensive is neither here nor there. George Stoney was born 200 years after Boyle and wasn't part of a family that had just (same generation 'just') colonised Ireland to keep the native Catholic Irish under their boots. Stop ignoring the facts here - including that of Boyle being an English subject, born to an English father and a Anglo-Irish mother. Your chemestry teacher did not "insult" anyone or anything and your anger is utterly misplaced. You are simply reashing the same arguments to no effect, and I am done here. Go do something more productive as I will no longer be responding. . --SinoDevonian (talk) 20:57, 21 October 2023 (UTC)Reply
Why can't you answer me, as to what makes someone Irish or not? As far as my racist chemistry teacher is concerned, he thinks he is in the clear. He is from England, he does not realize there are other demographics besides being Irish that his remarks could offend.
How do you know who or what my chemistry professor insulted? Were you there? K00la1dx (talk) 05:08, 22 October 2023 (UTC)Reply
Liam Neeson does not identify as Anglo-Irish. Why should Robert Boyle? K00la1dx (talk) 07:32, 2 November 2023 (UTC)Reply
TNO has clearly spelled out to you why Boyle should not be considered Irish alone, yet you chose to ignore him/her and continue ranting about your chemistry teacher. Also, unlike what you claimed on Reddit, you were not nor have you ever been banned. --2A00:23C4:3E44:2C01:6579:B3:4C4D:50C7 (talk) 13:20, 9 January 2024 (UTC)Reply
I had a gr grandfather born in Ballymena in what is today Northern Ireland, but back then was just "Ireland". Guess what? He was Scots-Irish by descent and considered himself Irish AND British. Get that? You can be BOTH. NI has a complex past and complex identities as a result! 2A00:23C4:3E44:2C01:BDB4:47DD:1D3E:308C (talk) 16:01, 18 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
Absurd accusations of "racism" aside, there's a valid point to be made regarding the strange fascination with a label that was unheard of at the time, and the equally strange way in which it's selectively applied on here. This isn't the place to delineate all the many problems that arise from the designation "Anglo-Irish," but perhaps its biggest shortcoming is that it reduces all the complexities of individual and group identity to the narrow domain of genealogy (and even here, it is only concerned with direct lineage, while ignoring all the other relations that make up a family and community). It also assumes, with little or no historical evidence, that people like Boyle were the equals of their peers in England, when in fact that was not a common perception at the time. Ireland's entire history consisted of successive invasions -Gaels, Norse, Medieval English (erroneously called 'Normans'), and Protestant/Tudor English -and at every point it was observed that the invaders either got absorbed into the native populations or had adopted Irish "peculiarities". We're talking about a period when people seriously believed that the culture and environment you were born into were as biologically meaningful as the determinants of your eye colour.
Of course the only thing that matters is how sources describe RB, but I am not entirely convinced that 'Anglo-Irish' is most common or the most neutral way to go about this. This 1825 print of Boyle describes him as an "Irish natural philosopher"[1], while the Library of the University of Cincinnati lists his writings in the Irish literature collection and similarly describes him as "Irish" with no qualifier ("Irish chemist, physicist, and inventor")[2]. So, there doesn't seem to be any consensus, and in many science sources he's described merely as "Irish-born," without opening any can of worms as to his personal identity.[3]/
In the interest of neutrality, I would support changing the lede description from the anachronistic and loaded term "Anglo-Irish" to something simple yet accurate like "Irish-born." His family background is briefly discussed in the first section and so readers can make up their own mind as to whether they think he was "Irish" or not. Jonathan f1 (talk) 22:20, 29 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
Only the Irish are so spineless to claim a coloniser as their own. Wild. 2.24.168.154 (talk) 19:31, 10 August 2024 (UTC)Reply

Re “ genes, which are actually contained in the semen” accuracy

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Genes are contained in the egg as well. This is equally important. 22 chromosomes each plus an x or Y chromosome. I don’t think skin complexion has been isolated to “semen” or the Y chromosome specifically as the science stands today. It’s underway. Google “which genes control skin color” Dbuckleywiki (talk) 02:16, 26 December 2023 (UTC)Reply