Talk:Richard Lee Bugbee

Copyright violation removed

Most of the first paragraph that I removed at 1192052341 was a copy of the Obituary by Robbins, Eleanora (Norrie) in News from Native California, 10405437, Winter2023/2024, Vol. 37, Issue 2. Accessible through the Wikipedia library Permalink.

@Geolog10, please review WP:COPYOTHERS. Even though you broke it up with a new sentence in the middle the almost word for word copying of the text that was previously included is a serious copyright violation. In order to keep Wikipedia a free resource we have to take copyright violations seriously. The obituary in News from Native California is a a good source for information about the early life of Richard Lee Bugbee, but it needs to be in your own words. 🌿MtBotany (talk) 22:35, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

Whoops, I wrote the obituary. Do you want me to cite me? Geolog10 (talk) 00:25, 28 December 2023 (UTC)

@Geolog10 Ah, so then you are Eleanora Robbins? This is a bit of a tricky question. The problem is that we cannot just cite your article, you would have to formally release the copyright on the text you added to Wikipedia and I am not an expert on that process and what is needed. I'm going to ask at the WT:New pages patrol/Reviewers board to see how this should be handled. 🌿MtBotany (talk) 17:41, 28 December 2023 (UTC)

You are appreciated by me. I'm sure that News from Native (Terria Smith) will allow me to quote me. I could also do some rewriting. Let's see what your board suggests... Geolog10 (talk) 20:10, 28 December 2023 (UTC)

I checked in with the other editors and one pointed out the copyright notice used by News from Native California is, "Copyright of News from Native California is the property of News From Native California and its content may not be copied or emailed to multiple sites or posted to a listserv without the copyright holder's express written permission. However, users may print, download, or email articles for individual use." This seems to indicate that the writers of articles are not the copyright holders. I think to be safe on the Wikipedia side we would need a formal release from them before the words can be used as written. It is a great source to cite, but it cannot be copied without a donation. See: WP:DONATETEXT, Wikipedia:Plagiarism, and Plagiarism#Self-plagiarism.

I would also like to make this article as good as it possibly can be. Do you know any sources, magazines, newspaper articles, interviews, etc. that would have the published the other facts in the early life section of the article? About the number of high schools, his college experience, and work as a lighting technician? 🌿MtBotany (talk) 20:13, 28 December 2023 (UTC)

1) Let me try rewriting the material from the obit.

2) Richard told me the high school and lighting tech stories when he was in hospice--I've searched the web, not there, and his kids didn't even know the lighting tech story; we can dump these if you wish; let me try rewrite. But he was so proud of the fact that he was a college instructor with no degree.

3) I haven't gotten my Winter 2023 News from Native yet. So I haven't seen the article...

4) There is a photograph of Richard on Wikipedia, it's a stand alone. I have no clue how to bring it into my article, do you? Geolog10 (talk) 21:36, 28 December 2023 (UTC)

Happy to help you with the formatting of a photograph. I went ahead and added an infobox with the photo I found on Wikimedia commons, let me know if that is the one you're thinking of. I left most of it blank, but added in a few basics. Date of death and year of birth from the article. Good luck on your rewrite, I look forward to seeing it. 🌿MtBotany (talk) 00:45, 29 December 2023 (UTC)

Feedback from New Page Review process

I left the following feedback for the creator/future reviewers while reviewing this article: Subject is notable, however there is a lack of references in many places in the article. If the references have not been added after six months to a year the unreferenced information should be removed. Thank you, though, for working on adding to Wikipedia.

🌿MtBotany (talk) 23:28, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

It looks fine. As long as we got him onto Wikipedia, we are happy here in San Diego. The article I wrote in Indian Voices, which came out in Oct. 23, is word for word what I wrote in News from Native California (with the exception of 11 editing words). Thanks for adding the photo! I don't know what I am supposed to do now, am I done? Geolog10 (talk) 18:36, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

@Geolog10 No more work has to be done, but eventually the information without a reference will have to be removed. I put in tags where the problems are and eventually I will come around again to check on it or some other editor will notice the problems. Before that happens if you happen to know of or come across any additional articles about Mr. Bugbee you could add them or ask me for help. I did also notice that he was featured in episode five of Tending the Wild from KECT and added that fact today. 🌿MtBotany (talk) 18:26, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

I'll look at the problems and fix them. Thanks Geolog10 (talk) 18:48, 24 January 2024 (UTC)