Talk:Religion in the United Kingdom

Missing charts?

There are two places in this article where this legend appears:

  Christianity

  Islam

  Other religions

  Not religious

But I don't see any chart to which it applies. Am I missing something, or is the article missing it instead? Chuntuk (talk) 20:54, 2 June 2021 (UTC)

The chart was deleted but the legend was left straying in the article. The article, unfortunately, is a mess. I suggest deleting everything in the "statistics" section except the census data. Æo (talk) 23:40, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

More Pew research center sources

Pew Research center has written a bit on religious demographics for the country and Pew is heavily cited for articles on this topic.CycoMa1 (talk) 21:52, 7 July 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 November 2022

I believe a new religion called Sillyism has started to come up in great numbers, please can you, approve these changes.

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=knwugy6UwOo&ab_channel=MaxFosh 2A00:23C6:A117:E201:C8CD:89AA:29B8:55C1 (talk) 22:11, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Primary sources such as a YouTube video are not appropriate, especially for such significant claims. Actualcpscm (talk) 23:30, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

That is your opinion but please respect the followers of this religion. Aristomuy (talk) 13:10, 19 November 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. M.Bitton (talk) 02:28, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

Misleading chart

The article is dealing with religion in the UK but the pie chart on the right only refers to England+Wales ignoring Scotland and Northern Ireland. 93.206.50.169 (talk) 01:05, 30 November 2022 (UTC)

The pie chart at the top also seems to vastly overestimate the number of other Christians (Mormons/JWs/Orthodox) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 240F:CA:2CE5:1:F9FE:D496:A13F:61FE (talk) 13:39, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

Wording - update/clarify

"The statistics for current religion (not religion of upbringing where also asked) from the 2011 census and the corresponding statistics from the 2001 census are set out in the tables below."

1) The 'tables below' now include the 2021/22 census (sic - sc 2021 census?) so the above seems to need amending to reflect that. 2) "not religion of upbringing where also asked" is semantically tortuous. Couldn't this simply read "not religion of upbringing"? The fact that the question may or may not have been asked is parenthetical as the figures aren't shown anyway. If the author wants to make that point then I suggest "not religion of upbringing (which was also asked about in some censuses)" as better. 82.46.163.160 (talk) 13:04, 27 December 2022 (UTC)

Sillyism

Should we add Sillyism? KeylessSkate (talk) 22:10, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

 Not done Since there is no article on Sillyism, that would be silly. Peaceray (talk) 23:33, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

exactly Lovertruck (talk) 08:34, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

Talking Jesus report

In the article:

"The 2022 Talking Jesus report (a partnership between Alpha, the Evangelical Alliance, HOPE Together, Luis Palau Association and Kingsgate Community Church) describes the current state of faith in the UK: 48% of the population described themselves as 'Christian' of which 6% described themselves as 'practising Christians'." is cited to the Talking Jesus report 2022.

What are peoples opinion of this source?

My thoughts:

Pro: Savanta ComRes is a market research bureau that has experience with polling and statistics. Their methodology is mentioned and seems fine. The sample sizes are big enough. The numbers are similar to the census data (England and Wales,2022).

Contra: Savanta is not well known for polling about religion (like Pew or even Ipsos). The study was commissioned by Christian groups and they have a clear pro-christian bias, that is also clear from the text. Christians are combined (so we don't know the percentage of Catholics or Anglicans.) We have better sources like the census, other polling data... The article has a problem with too many haphazard sources.

I would suggest removal of this paragraph and the source. 2A02:1810:BC3A:D800:2C4C:C70:1403:C41C (talk) 15:32, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

Vandalism I’m not sure

Hi! This page seems to have some vandalism, but I’m not sure how to deal with it. @Discospinster you seemed to use a bot to deal with some other vandalism I saw, do you know how to deal with this? Lyfjf (talk) 16:52, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

You can edit and remove the vandalism, or use the history to restore the previous clean version. ... discospinster _talk 16:54, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

Intro chart is biased

The numbers of this survey don't match with most other surveys. It it was clearly choosen because it inflates the numbers of christians at the expense of nones. It is a biased source and should not be used. 2804:388:A035:5C20:5B1B:5B72:8841:DE00 (talk) 15:30, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

Agreed (except with the sentence that could be interpreted as bad faith). The problem isn't that these numbers are published by ARDA (see entry of ARDA on reliable sources noticeboard but that they come from the World Religion Database (see entry of WRD on the reliable sources noticeboard. I took part as the IP in the latest discussion about the WRD. The consensus is that better sources are preferred. The UK holds regular censuses so that should be easy.

We have some possible ways to remedy the situation.

1) Looking for a reliable survey that covers the whole of the UK (including Nortern Ireland)?

2) Waiting for the release of the Scottish census (May 2024) and hope some reliable source combines the data with the other censuses (problem ofcourse is that they weren't taken at the same time)?

3) Using three pie charts for England and Wales, Nortern Ireland and Scotland in the lead?

4) Using the 2011 census?

5) Removal of the current pie chart?

6) Replacing the current pie chart with some other NPOV, representative symbol for religion in the UK?

My preference is the immediate removal of the current pie chart because the censuses further in the article are vastly superior in quality. I wouldn't look for a reliable survey (for in the lead, in the body would ofcourse be fine) because I think that the censuses are still the best data. If some reliable source combines the censuses for the whole of the UK then that should be added in the lead. Three pie charts are obviously too much for in the lead. Using the 2011 census would be bad because the data for England and Wales, and Northern Ireland is already available. Looking for another representative symbol for religion in the UK would be difficult. 2A02:1810:BC3A:D800:2C98:387B:A549:4647 (talk) 13:23, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

I just followed the citation, and it was a 404. Drilling down in the same site, here: https://www.thearda.com/world-religion/national-profiles?u=233c the figures are completely different from the chart. Example:

Christians     67.38%

Muslims      6.29%

Non-Religious  23.30%

Following the previous discussion, I'm going to remove the chart, which is inaccurate, not cited (as displayed) and redundant to the more nuanced info in the article.  • Bobsd •  (talk) 06:38, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

Most serious demographers would go for the latest British Social Attitudes data. It uses a non-leading question and covers the whole of Great Britain. Sadly, not NI.Zythe (talk) 16:22, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

I am in complete agreement with the others who took part in this discussion. I also warmly invite the IPs 2804 and 2A02 to register an account, with which to actively participate in discussions here and open new ones at WP:RSN. Æo (talk) 23:43, 7 July 2024 (UTC)