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Change "; a 2005 study by the American Journal of Public Health observed that the odds of perpetrating violence were 85% higher for blacks compared with whites, with Latino-perpetrated violence 10% lower.[2]"

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Reason: This statement, taken from the American home journal (http://en.m.wiki.x.io/wiki/Race_and_crime_in_the_United_States) used alone as it is, is misleading and racist and preceded by a statement that confirms the intent to mislead. The sited study mentioned consisted of a preselected group of people living in Chicago, and not in all of the US as it leaves readers to believe. Also, the admittedly handpicked subjects for the study and the alleged findings were affected by the opinions of others outside of the group surveyed which means the data was compromised. No information was provided to show which other group they picked and if/how they confirmed the responses recieved were not only a reflection of their own prejudices. FixNartt101 (talk) 18:47, 3 November 2023 (UTC)Reply

Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit semi-protected}} template. M.Bitton (talk) 19:19, 3 November 2023 (UTC)Reply

I've removed the content from the lead. The source was added relatively recently, and a weak source should not be used for broad claims, especially in the first paragraph. Grayfell (talk) 19:26, 3 November 2023 (UTC)Reply

For convenience, here is the study. It directly contextualizes these findings in the abstract: The odds of perpetrating violence were 85% higher for Blacks compared with Whites, whereas Latino-perpetrated violence was 10% lower. Yet the majority of the Black–White gap (over 60%) and the entire Latino–White gap were explained primarily by the marital status of parents, immigrant generation, and dimensions of neighborhood social context. The results imply that generic interventions to improve neighborhood conditions and support families may reduce racial gaps in violence.[1] To use this for the "85%" factoid without this context is inappropriate and misrepresents the cited source, as the edit request points out. Grayfell (talk) 19:33, 3 November 2023 (UTC)Reply

It's a self report survey, therefore unreliable. Social desirability appears to affect blacks more than whites regarding illicit activities, this can be evidenced by self reports of drug use and drug test correspondence rates.

Study below is matched by year with the one cited above.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3455900/ 2001:569:7D20:E300:A767:153E:9363:ACE2 (talk) 10:44, 23 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

This whole article is nonsense

Latest comment: 9 days ago9 comments6 people in discussion

You have not included any work done by those on the opposite side. This whole article wants to only site those that blame the greater society for people murdering and raping each other. It's a typical liberal propaganda angle to legitimize crime and downplay the demographics (as inconvenient as it is for the editors).

In the first semi protected comment above me, the OP brought up Roland Fryers EXTENSIVE work,which blew the lid off this whole, "white cops targeting black people".And the editors just totally dismissed it! That right there was a dead give away. Is this wikipedia? Or some activist club that only wants to spread a narrative? 63.143.128.92 (talk) 22:23, 2 November 2024 (UTC)Reply

How topics are covered is determined by weight, that is, the degree of acceptance of different findings in reliable sources, in this case academic sources. Since Fryer's views have no acceptance among experts, they could only be mentioned here as fringe views. It doesn't matter if he is right or not. TFD (talk) 23:50, 2 November 2024 (UTC)Reply

Fryers views are not fringe, look up, Thomas Sowell, Shelby Steele, John Mcwhorter and Heather MacDonalds work on this subject. The article is bias. It's PC journalism that you're using. 63.143.128.92 (talk) 13:24, 3 November 2024 (UTC)Reply

You list two economists, a linguist, an author, and a lawyer as authoritative sources in criminology? Yet you list no criminologists? EvergreenFir (talk) 00:15, 11 November 2024 (UTC)Reply

It is a joke and this article is so shockingly inaccurate I now will have to reconsider practically anything I ever read on Wikipedia again. How is this travesty allowed to be published? Worse yet, some are even defending it! Have you no sense of the reality? We do, and can tell you very plainly, this entire article diminishes the culpability of blacks at every turn placing the blame on historical grievances and providing false statements from first paragraph to the last.

At no point in the article was there even a mention or allusion to the genetic component regarding the likelihood of committing crimes and black Americans. Studies have shown that DNA differences can predict the likelihood of certain ethnicities committing crimes. BarneyEsNumeroUno (talk) 13:40, 11 December 2024 (UTC)Reply

This is the correct take. I couldn't believe what I was reading on this page. Anybody, including my fellow black Americans, can tell you that there are so many glaring and obvious statements in it that are outright false and have been propagated for liberal bias propaganda purposes. Either the poorly sourced articles, or the paraphrasing of them in an intentionally deceptive way are designed to mislead and misinform the reader. The whole article is best scraped and started again fresh from scratch with a truly neutral point of view with arguments from both sides of the issue synthesized into one coherent and accurate article. BarneyEsNumeroUno (talk) 13:35, 11 December 2024 (UTC)Reply

Not a forum EvergreenFir (talk) 00:16, 11 November 2024 (UTC)Reply

The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

Yes, this article is total trash. It isn't a discussion of crime rates, it's an apologetic for why disparities in crime rates are all due to racism.

I used to support Wikipedia. No longer. 69.161.87.12 (talk) 15:59, 9 November 2024 (UTC)Reply

Wikipedia is not an objective source in many areas of contentious subject matter, as Mr. Wales has freely admitted. Edit0r6781 (talk) 23:40, 10 November 2024 (UTC)Reply

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