Talk:Prime Minister of Russia

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Do all but one of the PMs really have no party affiliation? And what is "Our Home Is Russia"?--Ian 06:33, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Is it correct that Yegor Gaidar was a Yabloko member in 1992? The Timeline of liberal parties in Russia says that Yabloko was established year later, in 1993. Andris 05:10, Sep 26, 2004 (UTC)

I suspect you might be right. According to a page on the Yabloko website, Yabloko was indeed formed in preparation for the 1993 elections. The site from which I got the Yabloko claim is here - it's a good resource, but it's not totally without error. I would be inclined to remove the Yabloko affiliation from the table, unless there's some other information I'm missing. -- Vardion 05:40, 26 Sep 2004 (UTC)

According to one source that I just found [1], Gaidar lead a different party, Russia's Choice, in 1993 elections. I cannot quite confirm whether the Russia's Choice was established when he was the prime minister or later, but that likely excludes a Yabloko affiliation. I will change his affiliation to none. Andris 17:50, Sep 26, 2004 (UTC)

Anyone happen to know the duties of the PM? Cooldude7273 23:47, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

I was wondering that as well. Especially with Putin poised to resume the post after his current term as president ends, it'd be good to know what the difference is. In most countries the president is the powerless head of state while the prime minister holds the real power as head of government. In Russia, the president clearly holds the most power so I'd like to know which responsibilities are delegated to each position. - Cg-realms (talk) 12:55, 11 December 2007 (EST)

Democratic Russia

Just a small note - "Democratic Russia" was technically not a party but a parliamentary fraction. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kami888 (talk • contribs) 19:42, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Vladimir Putin

Medvedev hasn't nominated Putin for prime minister (as Medvedev hasn't taken office yet). Therefore, Putin isn't 'prime minister-designate'. GoodDay (talk) 21:27, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

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head of government

"Nowhere in the Russian Law is he literally referred to as "head of government""

It's incorrect, all governmental decrees are undersigned by "Председатель Правительства Российской Федерации" (Chairman of the Government of the Russian Federation)

VZakharov (talk) 11:08, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

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Confusing data about Russian prime ministers

It seems that nowhere in Wikipedia can I find a clear listing of the premiers of the Russian Federation (there seems to be no actual premier, but various people have served this essential post). I've put together a rough list from Yerin to Kulikov to Stepashin to Putin, but it trails off after that in the early 2000s. Nothing like the clear listings of many of the other leaders of Russia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 112.105.93.193 (talk) 02:53, 5 August 2010 (UTC) There was much talk, talked about attacks against VVP. Was there perhaps, even against Medvedev?109.134.173.35 (talk) 16:48, 19 January 2017 (UTC)

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: moved. While I am sympathetic to the argument that we should not slavishly follow news media sources and give due weight to the sources used in books, journals, etc. I see no sources like that have been provided in this discussion and hence must come to the conclusion that "Prime Minister of Russia" is the common name of this title. Arguments also in favour of the move were consistency, in that we don't normally follow the exact constitutional term for topics like this, and also that "Prime Minister of Russia" had been the stable title for many years before it was moved a few months ago without discussion. Jenks24 (talk) 13:09, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

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Chairman of the Government of the Russian Federation → Prime Minister of Russia – WP:COMMONNAME, WP:CONCISE, to match the wording of our articles like Vladimir Putin, and no consensus sought to move the article from the established name of "Prime Minister of Russia" to the current name. Relisted. Jenks24 (talk) 10:47, 30 July 2014 (UTC) Dralwik|^{Have a Chat} 06:40, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

• Leaning towards oppose. This seems to be one of those cases where common name does not necessarily equal common sense. Sure, one can find plenty of examples in the media and other sources using "prime minister", but there are plenty of examples using "chairman of the government" as well, and the latter is the actual, proper title. However, I don't mind this article moved to Chairman of the Government of Russia, if a more concise title is desired.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); July 22, 2014; 14:43 (UTC)

Keep in mind that usage in third party, English media takes precedence over translated government sources per WP:SOURCES, and our title guidelines are explicit that we are not bound to official titles. A quick search has the Moscow Times, New York Times, and the London Times all using the Prime Minister wording. Dralwik|^{Have a Chat} 17:38, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

I did keep that in mind, thank you. But there are also plenty of academic sources which have no connection to the official government publications yet use the "chairman" title nevertheless, and a good chunk of those sources use the term when discussing the overall structure of the Russian government, covering which is the primary goal of the encyclopedia (as opposed to collecting all colloquialisms out there and picking the most common one). Using colloquial terms is fine and often preferable when mentioning the subject in passing (Russian Prime Minister visited the plant and gave a stirring speech) and is indeed a common practice, but not using proper titles when dealing with the state's executive framework in an encyclopedia is, in my opinion, a travesty. WP:COMMONNAME is not about picking the most common name from the papers, it's about considering the whole universe of reliable sources, of which papers are only a small, albeit highly visible, part.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); July 22, 2014; 18:09 (UTC)

We have opposite opinions on the suitability of official v. common names for world titles. To me, it is much more proper to have the article at the title most frequently used for the person and have a paragraph explaining the official title, rather than bowing to whatever title the national constitution gives the office. To me, the key difference is that we are an encyclopedia of information on world leaders, not a directory on how to address them. Notice how we have a Premier of the Soviet Union article, when the office was called Chairman of the Council of Ministers, or the Prime Minister of Spain in place of President of the Government of Spain. Dralwik|^{Have a Chat} 20:16, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

Our opinions are not all that opposite, in general. I simply tend to favor using official names in cases when their usage rate is comparable to other, more colloquial variants. Both "prime minister" and "chairman of the government" are commonly used, and while one may be more common than another in certain contexts (such as, for example, in media coverage), overall the difference is not overwhelming. That the latter variant also happens to match official usage is more like a bonus than a deciding factor, and that it is often used in academic sources (to which I am rather partial) is another added bonus.
As for the "Premier of the Soviet Union", that one I cannot proffer an opinion without additional research. I will note, however, that article title arguments of this nature are usually resolved on a case-by-case basis, so that one would have to be looked at individually anyway, should anyone be willing to bother submitting an RM.
At any rate, let's see what others have to say. I'm perfectly OK with abiding by the final consensus whatever it may be. I think we both have made our points of view clear. Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); July 22, 2014; 20:31 (UTC)

• Oppose – Official usage refers to the position as " Chairman of the Government of the Russian Federation". Dustin (talk) 20:20, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

Should we move the other world titles that are not at their constitutional titles? Dralwik|^{Have a Chat} 20:25, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

• Strongly support move, the term "Prime Minister" is the much more commonly used name for this office. Charles Essie (talk) 21:03, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
• Strongly support - "Chairman of the Government," is not, so far as I can tell, ever used in English. Can you provide substantial examples of reliable sources in English using "Chairman of the Government"? Also - the move was made without any consensus, and obviously has opposition. We should move back to the original title unless there is a consensus to keep it here. Otherwise we are rewarding people for moving things without consensus. john k (talk) 03:58, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
• Strongly oppose. There is no prime minister in Russia. The Russian Constitution establishes the following structure: "The executive power in Russia shall be exercised by the Government of the Russian Federation. The Government of the Russian Federation consists of the Chairman of the Government of the Russian Federation, Deputy Chairman of the Government of the Russian Federation and federal ministries." "the Government of the Russian Federation (as a whole) shall issue decisions and orders and ensures their implementation." Not prime minister. Thus, "Prime Minister of Russia" is nonsense. --TarzanASG (talk) 07:47, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
• Strong Support Per WP:Commonname, the term chairman looks like a term from the soviet era. Title is confusing for a common man. The Prime minister is the common usage. We don't have to use a technical term used by the Russian government. Rameshnta909 (talk) 16:08, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

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