Talk:Pinwill sisters

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The result was: promoted by SL93 (talk) 00:34, 29 August 2022 (UTC)

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• ... that the Pinwill sisters's workshop had created 168 woodcarvings in Devon and Cornwall churches by the 1950s? Source: Wilson, Helen. [www.pinwillsisters.org.uk "The catalogue"]. The Remarkable Pinwill Sisters. Retrieved 21 July 2022.
  • ALT1: ... that woodcarver Violet Pinwill was still working on a life size figure of St Peter days before her death in 1957, aged 82 ? Source: "Life Spent Wood-Carving for Churches. Miss V. Pinwill of Plymouth Dies". Western Morning News. 2 January 1957. p. 2.
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Created by Balance person (talk). Self-nominated at 07:36, 13 August 2022 (UTC).

• Firstly, congratulations on your first DYK! A long article on an interesting subject that must have been quite a lot of work. New enough (moved into mainspace on 13 August). Long enough. Editor's first DYK, so no QPQ needed. NPOV throughout, and generally well-cited. Earwig found no copyright etc issues. The last bit of "legacy" needs a citation. I am a bit concerned about the main source, a book entitled "The Remarkable Pinwill Sisters" published by Willow Productions of Plymouth. I can find nothing about this company, suggesting this is a self-published book. Both of the hooks are interesting. I am unclear where the "168" figure in the first hook comes from. Presumably from "Nevertheless, there remain today at least 76 churches in Devon and 92 in Cornwall containing ecclesiastical wood carvings by the Pinwill workshop". But, that workshop "was employing 29 men and boys", so is it right to say that the sisters "created" all 168? As for ALT1, the article states that Violet "was finishing off a life size figure of St Peter for a Lancashire church". So, singular not plural, and life-size is not really "huge". Of course, I must AGF generally as most of the sources are offline, but the hooks do need to be consistent with the article. Edwardx (talk) 23:35, 13 August 2022 (UTC)

@Edwardx: Hi, Ive been adding pics to this article myself and adding Pinwill stuff to other articles about churches as this is a Women in Red contribution. I can see that "The Remarkable Pinwill Sisters" is probably self published but it doesnt seem to be a vanity publication just a way of publishing research by an acknowledged expert.... The author is acknowledged as an expert by the Devon Buildings Group - and I suspect that pdf may be an alt source for her book. (Maybe Balance person could add extra refs from that source to bolster doubt?) Also a lifesize carving isnt huge but it is large (people and many trees have a similar girth), and thats what the hook says. Also "is it right to say that the sisters "created" all 168" No it isnt, their workshop did, and thats what the hook says. Am I missing something? Victuallers (talk) 11:29, 14 August 2022 (UTC)

Victuallers Thank you. What you appear to be missing is that Balance person had already tweaked both hooks in light of my comments. Of course, they should ideally have mentioned those tweaks on this nom page (or created ALT0a and ALT1a), but they are new, and it is no big deal. Longstanding editors such as ourselves can always check the page history ;) I will come back to this later, as I am off to the London Wiki meet-up now. Edwardx (talk) 12:07, 14 August 2022 (UTC)

Aaah that makes sense. Sorry for the confusion. Good time I hope for you in London. I'm off for a holiday too. Victuallers (talk) 12:19, 14 August 2022 (UTC)

Victuallers (talk) Just a note about Willow Productions. Info about them is available at https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/08874638 I don't know if that helps? Balance person (talk) 16:19, 14 August 2022 (UTC)

Balance person Thank you. However, I rather doubt that is the same Willow Productions, as "Nature of business" is listed as "Motion picture production activities". Edwardx (talk) 18:54, 14 August 2022 (UTC)

I have tweaked both hooks. I prefer ALT1, but both are interesting. Edwardx (talk) 19:00, 14 August 2022 (UTC)

• I see this is a rather unconventional DYK page but if we go for ALT 1, I think we should at least mention the Pinwill sisters: e.g.

• ALT1 (bis): ... that the woodcarver Violet Pinwill of the Pinwill sisters was still working on a life-size figure of St Peter days before her death in 1957, aged 82?--Ipigott (talk) 14:32, 16 August 2022 (UTC)

Ipigott (talk) That reads well for me. Thanks. Balance person (talk) 19:55, 16 August 2022 (UTC)