Talk:Pickling

Removal of Unreferenced Material

I've taken out the section below. Although it is correct it's not referenced. I hope to include the information in the article again at some point when I discover the correct references for the material. TheRegencyCook (talk) 10:28, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

In the U.S. and Canada, and sometimes Australia and New Zealand, the word pickle alone almost always refers to a pickled cucumber, except when it is used figuratively. It may also refer to other types of pickles such as "pickled onion", "pickled cauliflower", etc. In the UK, pickle, as in a "cheese and pickle sandwich", may also refer to Ploughman's pickle, a British version of chutney.

Brining/Pickling Confusion

Merging the entries for "brining" and "pickling" could cause confusion, as brining is often used to describe the process of curing meat using a salting process. Brining and pickling are similar in that both processes are used to preserve food by inhibiting the growth of bacteria by adjusting the ph of the storage environment. Pickling uses an acid (eg vinegar), brining uses an alkali (eg salt), so the two processes are chemically different.

Merge with Leuconostoc mesenteroides

• Oppose - This article is about pickling / fermenting, not about a single specific type of bacteria. --Webaware 08:08, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Could someone explain the sentence that says in some middle eastern countries they eat pickles with almost every meal. That sounds very innacurate. -Balzack Tebaggard

It varies from household to household. Pickles can be served as an appetizer to any dish in Middle Eastern cuisine. It's not necessarily eaten with every dish at home but most often in restaurants you'd be served a plate of pickles as an appetizer while waiting for the main course. In some household pickles is always eaten either as an entrée or as a condiment/side dish. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 5.150.201.181 (talk) 05:33, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

History

The page needs a "history" section. Surely there is a lot of ancient history in pickling? How/where did it start? Fig 14:28, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

I fully concur. There is some good information about the history of soaking foods in Salt in Mark Kurlansky's book of the same name, and I am sure that there must be additional information elsewhere. Utopienne 17:27, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

This is such a good point. Busy updating the history section. TheRegencyCook (talk) 10:25, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

Hindu-nationalists are misrepresenting the information in the original sources. The sources say that cucumbers are native to India not the pickling first originated in India. So maybe the image attached to the history section needs a revision as well?

https://www.history.com/news/pickles-history-timeline

http://www.nyfoodmuseum.org/_ptime.htm — Preceding unsigned comment added by 5.150.201.181 (talk) 13:41, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

History section, attached image:

https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Pickling#/media/File:Indian_cultural_zone.svg

References

The first reference link is broken -- the Pickling Bill fact sheet has moved here: http://www.mda.state.mn.us/food/business/factsheets/picklebill.htm I'm not sure how this is being used as a reference, though (it's not a clear pointer), so I'm not updating that yet

In addition, the quality of this page could be improved with some better references -- I'm not a pickling expert, but Sandor Katz is, and some reference to his work might help the explanation of natural fermentation (as it is, it's not explained where the agents of fermentation come from; in pickling cabbage, for example, the L. bacilli live on the cabbage, but don't thrive till they're in an anaerobic environment, as I understand it.) Experts? (Also would be nice to have more pointers to how-to sites)

Pickle Bill reference updated and moved to qualify pH 4.6 assertion. Michael Fourman 01:30, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Move proposal

See Talk:Ume#Requested move. Badagnani (talk) 04:52, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Removing Merge Template for Brining

I am removing the merge template with brining. The template has been up since August 2007 with no comment made. However, the corresponding template at brining was removed back in Aug 2007 after just 5 days with edit summary "Pickling is not brinnig". I agree with that comment. The purpose of pickling is the long term preservation of food. Brining, on the other hand, is a treatment which is not for preservation, but for alteration of flavor, and often done just before eating. (e.g. brining poultry just prior to cooking) Though similar, they are separate topics, not deserving of a merge. (I did add links in the see also sections, which I hope is satisfactory.) -- 128.104.112.147 (talk) 19:49, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Picture problem

The picture that appears here (and at gherkin) is not a gherkin, at least in American usage. It's a pickling cucumber. Many prepared "gherkins" are actually made from immature cucumbers, but not of the size shown in the picture.--Chapka (talk) 18:53, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

"The Pickling Process"

As it stands, this section actually describes the _canning_ process, which is neither necessary nor sufficient for making pickles (brine pickles won't ferment if you kill all the lactobacilus by boiling the cans...and if they did, the gas would just burst the seals anyway). Barring objection, I'll take a swing at revision in the near future. --Craigkbryant (talk) 20:39, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

I'd like to second this. As it stands, I think this section could simply be removed. The actual pickling process is already briefly described in the introduction to the article. --Pesto (talk) 18:39, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

Thirded. It takes only a cursory google search to learn that the correct method for pickling is really just adding brine or vinegar (or both) to your vegetables and letting it ferment. I'm going to take a stab at revising this section now. Niksko (talk) 12:17, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

Korean Translation

Clicking Korean in the list of languages leads to the respective page for "Cucumber". As I do not know how to fix this, I'll just leave a note here. I don't think the page for Pickling exists at the moment in Korean language Wikipedia. (Which would be "절임" I think...) KingDynamo (talk) 10:57, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

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Germany and Sauerkraut

Shouldn't Sauerkraut, one of the most clichéd pickled dishes, be mentioned here? (Also, pickled gherkins are popular in Germany; there are even regions that depend on their production) Fzwoberlin (talk) 11:54, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

Pickled animals

Shouldn't there be some mention of animals pickled for science? FunkMonk (talk) 03:58, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

Anaerobic fermentation

Does anaerobic fermentation always take place during pickling? Can't a vegetable simply be preserved in vinegar? Norman21 (talk) 16:43, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

Assessment comment

The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Pickling/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.

Get rid of that second paragraph about Becky Whatshername! I can't edit that part! Sti3 15:34, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Last edited at 15:34, 30 October 2007 (UTC). Substituted at 02:56, 30 April 2016 (UTC)

Contradiction in definition of pickle

The article says at the top that pickling is the process of preserving or expanding the lifespan of food by either anaerobic fermentation in brine or immersion in vinegar. But then under Indian pickle it says these fruits and vegetables are generally mixed with ingredients like salt, spices, and vegetable oils and are set to mature in a moistureless medium., which seems like it doesn't really fit the definition of pickle at top.

Either the definition of pickling should be broadened to include salt+oil (not brine), or it should call out that most Indian "pickle" is technically not pickled per the definition of the article and is technically cured.

Jun-Dai (talk) 23:43, 4 May 2017 (UTC)

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Pickling Spice

A search for Pickling Spice redirects to this page, but there's no mention of the spice blend in the article. What is the use of having a redirect to a page that has no information about the original search term? (BTW, this isn't the first time I've found this, just the first time I've taken the time to mention it.) Either a section should be added to the page discussing the blend and why it's used or the redirect should be removed. I'm not changing anything right now because I've no particular opinion as to which is better, but I did want to call it to the attention of those who know enough about the subject to do whatever's appropriate. Thanks in advance for whatever you end up doing! JDZeff (talk) 21:06, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

A quick web search finds several formulas for pickling spices. If somebody wanted to add this section, it would be easy to create a list of typical ingredients, without adding a specific recipe. JDZeff (talk) 22:39, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

What dairy can be pickled?

The lead paragraph says: "Foods that are pickled include vegetables, fruits, meats, fish, dairy and eggs." What is meant by "dairy" in this context? Roly (talk) 19:39, 13 November 2022 (UTC)