Talk:Petr Nedvěd

Article name

Since this person is a Canadian citizen now, shouldn't he be listed under the Canadian name of "Petr Nedved" instead of his original Czech name of "Petr Nedvěd"? Olessi 17:20, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Yes, this article should be located at Petr Nedved, not Petr Nedvěd. It was originally written as Petr Nedved and remained there for a long time until a few weeks ago when User:-Lemmy- moved it without consensus. It needs to be moved back to Petr Nedved. Masterhatch 18:37, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Enough of these move discussions, please. This man's name is "Petr Nedvěd", not "Petr Nedved". Ryūlóng 21:06, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Ryūlóng, normally I am a proponent of including diacritics in names. For this particular case, I am wondering if the diacritic-less version is proper, as he is a naturalized Canadian citizen. Olessi 23:54, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Ryulong, his name spelt in english is Petr Nedved. sorry that you don't see that. try looking in hockey reference books and magazines and maybe some light will come to you. My pov is based on "most common english spelling" and your pov is based on... well.... your own personal pov. Masterhatch 00:10, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

WP:NPOV and there is no reason why this article should be moved at all until there is a consensus as to what should be done in situations like this. Ryūlóng 00:34, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

It should not have been moved to include diacritics in the first place until a consensus is reached. It works both ways you know. It should be moved back to the way it was 4 weeks ago. Along with all the other articles that you moved that started out without diacritics. It's fine and dandy that you wish articles to stay where they started, but you have to play fair. And that means moving a lot of articles back to non-diacritic form. Masterhatch 05:12, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

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Didn't petr retire--Mrebus 03:24, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Use of diacritics in article's title

This is the English Wikipedia, and according to the policy of WP:COMMONNAME, this article does not use the subject's name as it might be spelled in Czech (with diacritics) as its article title; it instead uses the name that is most frequently used to refer to the subject in English-language reliable sources. This includes usage in the sources used as references for the article. Dolovis (talk) 13:51, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

For sportspeople at least, the overwhelming standard is to use diacritic marks in the title of the main article but to drop them in links. See Category:Czech ice hockey players, Category:Czech footballers, Category:Slovak ice hockey players, Category:Swedish ice hockey players for tons of examples. I think it makes sense and I don't think it's in contradiction with COMMONNAME. For a reader unfamiliar with diacritics, the spelling is essentially unchanged. It doesn't prevent readers from finding the article and it's more respectful of a player's origins. Pichpich (talk) 14:07, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

Your personal opinion does not equate to a standard. The wiki-standard is the policy of WP:COMMONNAME. Any articles that may be exceptions to that standard should first be discussed so a consensus on that individual's article name can be reached. But in any event, the issue is moot because Nedved is not a Czech; he is a naturalized Canadian who won a Gold medal for Canada in the 1994 winter Olympics. Dolovis (talk) 14:36, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

Obviously it's not my personal opinion and if you take the time to browse the categories above, you'll see that this is the current way of doing things. If you want to change that, don't discuss it here: discuss it at some centralized location and propose this massive change. The "he's Canadian" argument is ridiculous. Many Canadians have diacritic marks on their name and would like to keep them thank you very much. Do you have a photocopy of Nedved's passport? Because I'm pretty sure that diacritic marks are allowed there. Pichpich (talk) 15:58, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

Pichpich you are arguing against a brick wall. He has been shown by the ice hockey project that there has been a centralized discussion that player pages for ice hockey players keep them. Yet he keeps making WP:POINT edits to try and sneak the changes through. The use or non-use of diacritics doesn't change the fact its the common name. If it has them its still the same name as if it doesn't have them, however one way is correct and the other is not. Its because of this that the hockey project came up with its guideline to use them on all player pages where the players actual name contains them. -DJSasso (talk) 00:54, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

I would also add that according to the policy of WP:Naming conventions, it is not the person's "legal name" which decides the article's title. We are to use the name that is most frequently used to refer to the subject in English-language reliable sources. Dolovis (talk) 21:03, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

Indeed, this bio article title should be devoid of diacritics. GoodDay (talk) 21:35, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

The spelling without diacritics is not a different name, it's a different spelling of the same name. The choice of spelling to use is governed by our manual of style and our internal conventions. We have a de facto standard, which is to use diacritics – just like Britannica and Encarta do. Hans Adler 15:06, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

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