Talk:Oslo Airport, Gardermoen

Oslo Airport

The airport has officially changed name to simply Oslo Airport: http://reise.aftenposten.no/reise/Gardermoen-heter-ikke-lenger-Gardermoen-47381.html

Gardermoen/Gardemoen

This airport is really called Gardemoen, not Gardermoen. There is only one r. Unless this alternative spelling is somehow allowed, the name should be changed to Gardemoen. The article should redirect to Gardemoen, in any case. :-) I'm not quite sure how to do this, so I'll read up, and leave it to you guys meanwhile.

This is incorrect, see [1] (offical site of Avinor, the owner and operator of the airport). The correct spelling is Gardermoen. Arsenikk 22:42, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

I see. I did check this, but apparently OSL spells it wrong in the meta data in these search results [2]. Thanks for the correction!

Uncontained aquifer

The article contains the following text:

The use of deicing fluids is restricted since the area underneath the airport contains one of the nation's largest uncontained quaternary aquifers (underground water systems), the Trandum delta.

I'm no hydrologist, but I cannot help wondering from the context whether that uncontained should be uncontaminated. -- Starbois (talk) 15:50, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

English

Please look at WP:ENGVAR and WP:RETAIN. This article was written in American English and should retain this language. For the record, there is no such thing as "international standard English". The MOS clearly states that once and article has been written, the national variety of English which has been chosen shall be followed. It is considered reckless to change from the current to different variety; we have much better things to do on the project than spend out time converting between varieties. Feel free to write a different airport article from scratch and choose the variety you want. If anyone is unfamiliar with American English, it contains a number of single l-words and a lot of -izm and other z-endings; these are not to be converted to their British counterparts. Arsenikk ^(talk) 11:05, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

Wow! Clearly someone's very touchy on the topic! Last I checked, Norway was not in America. Did it move? Jasepl (talk) 17:06, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

Nor is it in Britain. Good grief! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.73.65.62 (talk) 03:28, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

IATA Code

This page says OSL is the IATA code to be used, and I've seen this in real life. But what about GEN which is listed in List_of_airports_by_IATA_code:_G#GE ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.115.125.228 (talk) 07:42, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

Statistics vandalism

The passenger statistics has been vandalised, mainly on 8 July by 79.154.65.116, without anyone acting to revert it. I have reverted now to the previous values, but the "Busiest Airlines From Oslo Airport" values are still not reliable in my eyes. Someone please check them. Futhermore, the User:Krsno who is known for vandalising data, has added destinations at several Norwegian airport articles, flights I could not confirm at a quick check, such as Sandefjord-Kristiansand. Someone please check them. --BIL (talk) 13:21, 8 August 2013 (UTC)

Norwegian Air Shuttle to Seoul-Incheon

The destinations-section contains a change to Norwegian Air Shuttles destinations, adding flights to Seoul-Incheon from April 2014. Through extensive google searches, reviews of Norwegians own website etc, I cannot find information to back up this claimed new destination. I would encourage some link or fixed information for this before approving the addition of Korea as a destination from Oslo Airport, Gardermoen. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ladyrohan (talk • contribs) 01:49, 9 November 2013 (UTC)

Double Check Atlanta Airport Reference

Oslo shows layout for runways and terminals much closer to other airports rather than Atlanta. Can someone check "Oslo lufthavn Gardermoen: Porten til Norge" to confirm that is an accurate representation to what is in the book and clarify as necessary. Airports with parallel runways are not at all unusual and Atlanta was not the first airport configured that way. Atlanta does not have "single terminal with two piers on a single line" but a separated landside/airside configuration with freestanding parallel gate piers connected to each other and the main terminal via tunnel. http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/File:ATL_Airport_Diagram.svg — Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.0.66.61 (talk) 01:28, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

Air rights

I was one of the final passengers into Fornebu in October 1998 and flew our of Gardermoen on its first morning of operation. Very shiny and new and *empty*. The take-off was interesting though as it was extremely steep and the pilot kept 'sliding' left and right as though avoiding something. I found out a few hours later that the problem had been that the new airport had not properly obtained rights to fly over the villages around the new site with commercial airliners (which are, let's face it, rather bigger than the fighter planes previously there.) I recall that this situation didn't last longer than a few days, so no idea if there is any 'proper' source to add it to the article, hence my comment here. --AlisonW (talk) 19:05, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

Before Oslo Gardermoen Airport became the main airport it operated as a secondary airport for the Oslo region. Charter flights and big aircraft that the old Fornebu airport couldn't handle operated from there. So it was not only a military airport, handling fighter jets. Big aircraft, such as Boeing 747's and charter Douglas Dc-10's used to land and depart there. Mortyman (talk) 00:30, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

Flight destination to SJU

These need to be added. Here's the source: [3] Jon the VGN3rd (talk) 16:01, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

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"Incidents and accidents" section?

Most other large airports have a section about this, and there have been a few accidents at this airport. Some of them can be found here: https://www.baaa-acro.com/city/oslo-gardermoen And there was also a bomb-threat in July 2020 on a Ryanair flight. Should we add this section? NewYard25 (talk) 12:45, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

Requested move 10 May 2022

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved, consensus against move. —usernamekiran (talk) 13:48, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

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Oslo Airport, Gardermoen → Oslo Airport – Official name as per Avinor's website and the convensional name. ᴛʜᴇMᴀɴLK ^(Talk) 10:04, 10 May 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 01:42, 20 May 2022 (UTC)

• Strong oppose, there is another active Oslo Airport, Torp as well the former Oslo Airport, Rygge and Oslo Airport, Fornebu. Especially Fornebu was "Oslo Airport" for a longer time (1939-1998) than Gardermoen has been (1998-present). Norway's main encyclopedia (outside of Wikipedia, that is) uses "Oslo Airport Gardermoen". In daily parlance, nobody calls it Oslo Airport, only Gardermoen. "Do you fly out of Gardermoen"? "Have you landed at Gardermoen?" Geschichte (talk) 08:10, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
  • There are no any active airports named Oslo Airport other than this one. The airport you mentioned as active is called TORP Sandefjord Airport and the other one is called Moss Airport. The airport situated in Fornebu is defunct. Gardermoen is the area that this airport is situated in and not its name. It's not necessary to use the address of the airport in its title as it's the only active airport in Oslo. Furthermore, "Oslo Airport" term has more usage than the other term as per web searches. ᴛʜᴇMᴀɴLK ^(Talk) 19:41, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
    • Moss Airport is actually called Moss Airport, Rygge, with "Rygge" being just as much a WP:COMMONNAME as "Moss".  Ved havet 🌊 (talk)  12:02, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose This is the common format of Norwegian aiports, also when there's no other airports in the area active today (e.g. Trondheim Airport, Værnes, Tromsø Airport, Langnes and Skien Airport, Geiteryggen. Gardermoen is still very much a WP:COMMONNAME of OSL and thus it's beneficial to include it in the title.  Ved havet 🌊 (talk)  12:00, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
  • Ved havet, many other airports with the same title format are also currently undergoing move requests, including one you listed here. They can be found at WP:RMC. (I have no opinion on these proposals.) Dekimasuよ! 05:06, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

    I have listed them here as well if that helps. ASUKITE 18:22, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

  "Oslo Airport" is the most common name when considering usage. "Gardermoen" is an alternative name which refers to the same airport. It's mentioned in the article and also "Gardermoen" redirects to here. Therefore, it's unnecessary to include that in the title. ᴛʜᴇMᴀɴLK ^(Talk) 10:33, 19 May 2022 (UTC)

• neutral But just wanted to say that I wish people would read WP:OFFICIAL before they use that as even a contributing reason in a move request. In most cases it is counter productive.Andrewgprout (talk) 04:50, 20 May 2022 (UTC)

  Speciality in here is both official name & most common name is "Oslo Airport". ᴛʜᴇMᴀɴLK ^(Talk) 07:57, 23 May 2022 (UTC)

• Comment. There is a parallel discussion on this proposal, as well as several similar ones, at Talk:Tromsø Airport, Langnes#Requested move 10 May 2022. To date, the majority there support the move. — Cheers, Steelpillow (Talk) 13:19, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose. The official web site at www.oslo-airport.com names it Oslo Airport (OSL), noting that it is "also known as Oslo Gardermoen Airport or Gardermoen Airport." A quick Internet search shows that they are indeed common, as also is the present article title Oslo Airport, Gardemoen, with or without a comma. WP:COMMONNAME requires that ambiguous titles be avoided. Web sites such as www.tripindicator.com/which-oslo-airport-is-best-to-fly-or-closest-to-rome-city-centre.html (blacklisted so no link allowed), asking which of the five Oslo airports is best, demonstrate clearly that "Oslo Airport" is ambiguous and so should not be used here. This is unusual for airports and the article title needs an equally unusual title to reflect it. — Cheers, Steelpillow (Talk) 13:43, 26 May 2022 (UTC)

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Why is this article written in American English?

As far as I know, Norway is in Europe. That makes choosing British English more logical. Thoughts? The Banner talk 10:13, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

Aeroflot to Oslo

Has anyone have evidence that Aeroflot has recently suspended service to Oslo. As they have not operated any flights for a long time according to FR it brings up no results for the last 12 months. They have said that they have ended service to Norway which is not the same as a suspension. See here: https://www.tass.com/economy/1186349/amp Plus on here no flights are listed from https://www.flightconnections.com/route-map-aeroflot-su. An entry should only be included on Wikipedia with an actual source not just a revert back each time. A citation needed request has been put up for a month and still yet no source provided CHCBOY (talk) 08:14, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

And do you have evidence that the flight was cut, as you are claiming by completely removing it? The Banner talk 08:31, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

Yes that's what is mentioned in the link I provided above. We are still waiting for a source to match that Oslo is just suspended as it hasn't been proven yet. CHCBOY (talk) 14:24, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

Also Oslo is not listed on the Moscow airport page and it's listed as terminated on the List of Aeroflot destinations page. When and if it returns then at that point we should list it with a reliable source. CHCBOY (talk) 14:44, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

I see you have put it back in again without any references. CHCBOY (talk) 02:30, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

Correct, I have restored the original text as you gave no sources of the connection being cut. Your source about the Covid-related cut in 2021 is interesting but the connection was reinstated after that. See this. The Banner talk 09:13, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

That flight is 23 months ago so not up to date either. The flights are certainly not operating since then hence they have been terminated. CHCBOY (talk) 10:24, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

That is correct, but it still proves that the flight was active after you claimed it was cut. The Banner talk 10:33, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

I never claimed it was cut back then I'm talking about the present. As you don't have evidence that it's running now. CHCBOY (talk) 10:43, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

Not correct, I have evidence that the connection is blocked/suspended due to international sanctions. The Banner talk 11:13, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

Why did you not put up the citation then? After all this arguing about it for so long. CHCBOY (talk) 11:37, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

Per WP:BURDEN, it is up to you to give evidence that the connection was cut, as you were claiming. And when you gave a link, it was outdated and could be proven to be wrong. The Banner talk 11:46, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

It's actually the other way round as you are adding material this is the direct quote from WP:BURDEN: "The burden to demonstrate verifiability lies with the editor who adds or restores material" so not from the person removing the material. CHCBOY (talk) 12:20, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

No, sorry. You started with a removal of text with a faulty source. And up to now, you still did not come up with a proper reason or source for the removal. The Banner talk 15:51, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

I disagree, in the end of all of this the Wikipedia guidelines does not appear to apply to you and your unsourced addition as you are not following it. CHCBOY (talk) 20:29, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

Sorry that you feel that way, but you still have not given a source to back up the removal of the connection. The Banner talk 21:09, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

Here are two other sources that the route is actually cut and not suspended.

https://luftfartstilsynet.no/en/about-us/news/news-2022/russian-flights-banned-from-norwegian-airspace/

https://www.oreanda-news.com/en/transport/norway-has-banned-the-landing-of-a-russian-plane-with-a-dying-man/article1498804/

The second one is from last month and so the ban has not been lifted. You can discredit them if you wish. CHCBOY (talk) 05:53, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

Ehm, no. It says that Russian air planes are banned from Norwegian airspace. Not that the connection is cut. But it is a good source to back up the suspension of the flight. So congratulations for finding a source for that! The Banner talk 10:23, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

It's banned completely the flights can't land! There is no mention of the word suspension in any of the references. CHCBOY (talk) 18:11, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

So you have no choice than to wait/suspend the connection. The Banner talk 18:23, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

Still no mention of the word "suspension" you just won't accept it. CHCBOY (talk) 18:30, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

And no mention that the connection was cut by Aeroflot. The Banner talk 18:43, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

The Norwegian Government ban is of a more higher importance than any other in this case. CHCBOY (talk) 20:26, 20 January 2024 (UTC)