Talk:Old Catalan

Old Catalan and Old Occitan

Shouldn't Old Catalan be better described here as a dialect of Old Occitan? It is reasonable to treat modern Catalan as a separate language from modern Occitan, in the same way as Norwegian, Swedish and Danish, or Czech and Slovak, considering the fact that promoting an idiom from dialect to language is a political and ideological decision. However, it seems a bit anachronistic to treat Old Catalan as a language separate from Old Occitan considering the fact that Catalan was still called Llengua llemosina in the 19th century.--Berig (talk) 09:31, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

Change in lede

From a Scandinavian perspective where Swedish, Norwegian and Danish have a dual status being formally four separate languages, but at the same time being treated as one single language both informally (when Scandinavians meet they tend to speak their own languages with each other) and formally (Scandinavians are expected to use their own languages even while working in each others countries, e.g. Swedish nurses documenting in Swedish while working in Norwegian hospitals), I don't see why we can't talk about Catalan as both a variety of Occitan and a language of its own. Surely both aspects should seamlessly fit together.--Berig (talk) 09:05, 1 November 2020 (UTC)

I have been WP:BOLD and made additions in the lede. Considering how my Balearic relatives vehemently oppose the idea that Balearic Catalan are dialects of Catalan, I can only hope that it will be acceptable to everyone.--Berig (talk) 13:37, 1 November 2020 (UTC)

Lengua lemosina

Though I'm no expert in the history of this language, I do know that medieval Catalan didn't use the digraph <ll> in word beginnings. Therefore the modern word llengua was written lengua. It is however very likely that the word, and other words written with initial ll- in modern Catalan, were already pronounced roughly as today. --Jotamar (talk) 23:07, 12 August 2021 (UTC)