Talk:Norman Osborn/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: Sagecandor (talk · contribs) 01:57, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

I'll look this one over. Unfortunately, looks like the nominator recently ran into some trouble. I'll look further into that, and the article history. Sagecandor (talk) 01:57, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

Failed "good article" nomination

This article has failed its Good article nomination. This is how the article, as of June 16, 2017, compares against the six good article criteria:

1. Well written?: Writing quality could stand to use some improvement. I'd suggest taking this one to the WP:Guild of Copyeditors for a once over first. Then, after that, would suggest going for WP:Peer review and asking for additional input from people who hadn't previously been involved with the article before. WP:LEAD

2. Verifiable?: Multiple unsourced and uncited passages throughout the entire article include:

• Publication history: In addition, a retcon during the "Clone Saga" determined that Norman Osborn survived the events of The Amazing Spider-Man #122 and had been playing a behind-the-scenes role in Spider-Man's adventures since then. Uncited.
• Return: and instead chose Norman to be the mastermind. Following the Clone Saga, Green Goblin reestablished himself as a supervillain and Spider-Man's nemesis, leading the Goblin to serve as the main antagonist of several Spider-Man stories thereafter. Uncited.
• Return: Osborn returns in Peter Parker: Spider-Man #75 and is blown up at the end of the issue. It is shown in Spectacular Spider-Man #250 that he has recovered and returns to his life without the Green Goblin identity. The character instead would attack Spider-Man through minions and smear campaigns designed to make him seem to be a monster. However, he would still wear his Green Goblin costume in battle. Uncited.
• New roles: He appeared as a regular character in the Dark Avengers series from issue #1 (March 2009) through issue #16 (June 2010), as well as the mini-series "Siege", which saw Norman being arrested for the crimes committed by him following the events of Civil War storyline. At this point, the character was more involved with the Avengers and only made three minor appearances in Amazing Spider-Man. The first was "Brand New Ways To Die", which ran from Amazing Spider-Man #570-573 and featured Norman and the Thunderbolts versus Spider-Man and the original Venom. His second appearance was Amazing Spider-Man #580, which explained that, following Mephisto's alteration of Spider-Man's past, Norman's return was significantly altered. He had returned earlier than he had originally returned and that he had arranged for his son Harry's death to be faked with help from Mysterio, due to his concern for his son's mental well being after once again became the Green Goblin. His final appearance was in Amazing Spider-Man #595-599: in this storyline, Norman attempts to convince his son to become a super-hero so that he can kill him off and exploit his demise. It also revealed that he was sleeping with the super-villain Menace (Harry's ex-girlfriend), with Norman believing that the villain's child she was carrying was his. Uncited.
• New roles: A five issue mini-series followed, written by writer Kelly Sue DeConnick and artist Emma Rios. The mini-series would lead into a dual storyline running in the pages of New Avengers #17–24 and Avengers #18–24, in which the character formed a new version of the Dark Avengers and ultimately garnered new powers, having turned himself into a Super-Adaptoid. Uncited.
• Powers, abilities, and weaknesses: Norman Osborn was turned into the Green Goblin by a chemical solution he had devised based upon a formula originally conceived by Professor Mendel Stromm. The process granted Osborn superhuman strength, speed, reflexes, and stamina as well as a low-level rapid healing factor. Uncited.
• Powers, abilities, and weaknesses: In addition to these physical advantages, the serum also greatly enhanced Norman's already-above average intellect, making him a bona fide genius capable of making breakthroughs in advanced areas of genetics, robotics, engineering, physics and applied chemistry. The Goblin formula is also said to have driven Osborn insane; defects in his personality were strongly augmented by the serum, resulting in dangerous mood-swings and hallucinations. Uncited.
• Powers and weaknesses as the Super-Adaptoid: He is known to have absorbed the abilities of Luke Cage, Vision, Red Hulk and Protector, and it is suggested that he also absorbed the abilities of his current Dark Avengers. In his final form, his body grew to the Hulk's size, and like Hulk he was capable of creating shockwaves by hitting the ground or smashing his hands together. His durability was sufficient to withstand the combined attacks of all the Avengers, and he demonstrated remarkable healing abilities, recovering in seconds after Daisy Johnson used her powers to make his heart explode. He could also turn intangible by manipulating his density, as the Vision does. Uncited.
• Mental illness and other weaknesses: this supposedly separate and more compassionate side of him never reappeared after he was believed dead. Norman is also highly sadistic, showing a complete lack of empathy for the lives of innocent people who stand between him and his objectives. These weaknesses have often been referenced in stories featuring him and exploited by his enemies Uncited.
• Mental illness and other weaknesses: This has been referenced several times in a myriad of Spider-Man stories. When he is not under the direction of a psychiatrist and taking medication, he has dangerous mood swings. At the apex of his mania, he is paranoid, delusional, and suffers from visual and auditory hallucinations, including hearing the voice of his Green Goblin persona and seeing its face in the mirror rather than his own. Previously, Osborn's arrogance caused him to refuse to submit to psychiatric treatment unless forced to; he viewed mental illness as an imperfection and therefore would not admit that he is mentally ill. In later conversations with the Sentry, Osborn revealed that he had come to accept his own mental illness. Uncited.
• In other media: Osborn has been adapted to other media including games, toys, collectibles, and miscellaneous memorabilia, and has appeared as the main character in numerous computer and video games on over 15 gaming platforms. Uncited.

3. Broad in coverage?: Missing: Missing section on critical reception, commentary, societal impact of the character, has it had an impact on popular culture, etc.

I started a reception section. I might work more on the article on the future but I recommend a review of that particular section for the time being to see how that potientally helps the article. Jhenderson ⁷⁷⁷ 21:04, 17 June 2017 (UTC)

4. Neutral point of view?: Article appears to rely quite heavily on WP:PRIMARY sources. This would seem to suggest bordering on going over the line of WP:No original research, and possibly Wikipedia editors drawing inferences from such sources. Article can serve with several copyedits to avoid WP:In-universe issues.

5. Stable?: Talk page is okay. Edit history doesn't show signs of major disruption. Unfortunately, GA nominator seems to have had some issues on other comics pages [1].

6. Images?: Two free use images have appropriate licences. This fair use image tagged with unaddressed problem File:Norman Osborn.jpg. This one is okay for fair use File:Amazing Spider-Man no, 14 (1964) (cover).jpg. The other two could be deleted: File:Amazingspiderman39.jpg and File:DarkavengersIP.jpg.

When these issues are addressed, the article can be renominated. If you feel that this review is in error, feel free to have it reassessed. Thank you for your work so far.— Sagecandor (talk) 20:31, 16 June 2017 (UTC)