Talk:Neue Deutsche Welle

Rammstein

Rammstein has nothing to do with the NDW. Didn't even exist back then. Took it out. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.226.55.50 (talk) 18:57, 2 January 2005 (UTC)

Same thing with Wir sind Helden. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.255.186.29 (talk) 19:46, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Aus grauer Städte Mauern - does not translate to 'from gray city walls' - well at least this might be misleading. Stadmauern is city walls, in this case gray refers to just the city (or at least in the first place). Think of it rather as, "from gray cities' walls", or "walls of gray cities". 85.180.138.120 (talk) 00:56, 27 April 2008 (UTC)--

I forgot: The part about Aggro is kinda hilarious - Okay, let's see, who used rap style parts in his German language songs in the 80s and thus supposedly the first 'German Rapper'? Falco. Now guess, whose Music etc. is used in 'Neue Deutche Welle' from Fler? Right, it's Falco's 'Rock me Amadeus' from the NDW era - Now, that's what I call coincidence 85.180.138.120 (talk) 01:26, 27 April 2008 (UTC)--

Einstürzende Neubauten

Why are Einstürzende Neubauten excluded from NDW category? 82.171.169.13 (talk) 00:29, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

Grauzone

I think it's wrong to put Grauzone in the mainstream section. Their "Eisbär" was a major hit, yes, (like Fehlfarben's "Ein Jahr (es geht voran)" also was), but the song itself hasn't any mainstream attitude at all, it's sound is dark and cold, the lyrics are pessimistic. Furthermore the original version of their only real Album didn't even include their only hit. Their song "Film 2" is a noisy instrumental (with some vocal percussion), "Schlachtet!" ("slaugter!") an "Wütendes Glas" ("angry glass") are aggessive and critical songs, "Kälte Kriecht" ("cold is crawling") has experimental echo effects over wispering vocals and so on. The whole album is quite dark and experimental, much more like Joy Division than like Nena. Just give it a listen: [1] Greetings --StefanWesthoff (talk) 14:44, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

Lasting legacy

While the phase of commercial NDW music was short indeed, the repertoire developed during this time remained a backbone, if not *the* backbone, of partying and having fun well into the late 1990s in Germany. During my university years 1994 to 1998, as soon as people were a bit drunk at some party, half the music played for the rest of the night would be that early-1980s NDW stuff, usually always the same 15 to 20 or so songs. If you can confirm my experience and if you have some better (not so anecdotal) evidence of what I'm describing, please feel free to add it. -- 77.189.121.90 (talk) 01:53, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Not NDW

There are quite a few bands listed that I would not account for NDW, mainly because they either do not fit in musically, or because they have been rock bands before and haven't socialized with the NDW scene at all and clearly belong to other genres. Those bands - I would not file under NDW - are: Falco, Klaus Nomi, Nina Hagen and Sandra. While Nina Hagen may account as an influence for NDW, the others clearly aren't NDW at all. C'mon... Sandra! She may be Germany's greatest disco queen of all times, but she ain't NDW! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.186.146.159 (talk) 16:04, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

Agreed. Also "Münchner Freiheit" was no NDW at all, rather the complete opposite... The Krupps are also no NDW at all, probably a couple of others bands, too. I'll go through the whole list, when I have some time ... Stern13 (talk) 19:55, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

Adapted?

"influenced in no small part by the different sound and rhythm of the German language which many of the bands had adapted from early on". --Is adopted meant? Perhaps used is the best word? Kdammers (talk) 13:39, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

Münchener Freiheit / Falco

You people are kidding, right? I really want to remove those shit bands. Where is DAF, Malaria!, Neubauten, Der Plan and Abwärts?

Possible rename?

I'm thinking that someone should rename this. If "Neue Deutsche Welle" means "New German Wave", then someone could just rename it to "New German Wave". If anyone thinks this is a good idea, then please respond. Dude00007, Ph. D., Sc. D. (talk) 15:50, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

Hm? "Neue Deutsche Welle" is the name of that music style. Names are not being translated. The Margarita drink has a Spanish name, meaning "daisy". The WP article is not called "daisy". Cheers, Grueslayer Let's talk. 20:53, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

NDW in the GDR

The article doesn't mention that NDW was copied by some bands in the GDR. Idk which bands they were. I think they formed when the "wave" was almost over in the west. Just a hint. I saw sth about it on German TV. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jezabeliberté (talk • contribs) 02:29, 23 February 2016 (UTC)

German New Wave

I don't know much of the topic (nor the German language), so I don't know if it's just widespread usage, but is it correct to translate "Neue Deutsche Welle" with "New German Wave", as opposed to "German New Wave"? I feel like the intended categorization is clear, there is New Wave, and then there is the New Wave that is German; it's not like there was a previous "German Wave", and then a "German Wave that is new". Right? I mean, it just sounds wrong to me. The position of the adjectives in German might not be relevant to the translation in English. Kumagoro-42 01:32, 22 October 2017 (UTC)

I tend to disagree. Being a German native speaker, I see the emphasis on German wave, "wave" not directly refering to New Wave music from the early eighties but to the waves you find in trends and in zeitgeist. There had been a wave in German-speaking music before, like Schlager music (or even Volksmusik if you want to go back even further) - that had been the first wave of German-speaking popular music, so to speak.

In the early eighties, there was that New German wave, in the sense of a second wave of German-speaking music (when it comes to popular music). So it's not New Wave music from Germany, but a new, fresh wave of German music, opposed to the old(-fashioned) music from Germany heard in the sixties and seventies. --92.217.70.198 (talk) 02:33, 9 June 2019 (UTC)

Details?

If you look at the German version of this page, there is no long list of bands - of which many don't have their own wiki page.

I think the subject matter is important, but just find it ironic that the German page does not list these bands :) But perhaps that's a problem for the German page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by B0p.b0p.us (talk • contribs) 00:18, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

Dates

It says in the article: "Around 1983/1984, the era of the Neue Deutsche Welle came to an early end, following the oversaturation of the market with what was perceived as stereotypical, manufactured hits."

The only problem with this is that the most famous song of this genre in the UK and other countries was Rock Me Amadaeus by Falco which was a hit in 1986. So to say the genre had come to an end in 1983/84 seems a bit early. Ajs41 (talk) 04:34, 23 August 2018 (UTC)