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"Nazi Party" is the English-language common name for the National Socialist German Workers Party.
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Why does this article say that the Nazis were right-wing?
Because that is the consensus of reliable sources, in this case historians and political scientists.
But the word "socialist" is right in their name!
Many political entities have names that can be misleading. Consider, for example, the Holy Roman Empire (a confederation of mainly German territories during the Middle Ages and the early modern period) and North Korea's official name, the Democratic People's Republic of Korea (a totalitarian dictatorship). The usage of the word "socialism" by the Nazis is different from the common usage of the term "socialism" to refer to an economic philosophy involving advocacy for social ownership of the means of production. The phrase "national socialist" was a nationalist response to the rise of socialism in Europe by offering a redefinition of "socialism" to refer to the promotion of the interests of the nation, as opposed to ideas of individual self-interest. But there was no policy of social ownership of the means of production. The Nazis did talk about capitalism being bad, but they defined it as a Jewish-originated economic philosophy based on individualism that promoted plutocracy in the interest of the Jews, at the expense of non-Jewish nations and races. This was put in contrast to the Nazis' conception of socialism, which was done in order to win over people attracted to anti-capitalist and socialist ideas to their cause. They rejected ideas of equality and working class solidarity, instead advocating for social hierarchy and national strength. This article sums it up well.
I made an offhand comment about it and somebody just came along and deleted it! What should I do?
Nothing. See this discussion where the community came to a consensus that we have entertained the numerous questions and claims about the Nazis being left-wing enough, and that continued engagement with people pushing this line of reasoning is not helpful to the article.
That doesn't seem very fair. Don't Wikipedia policies require editors to assume good faith? What if somebody posts that position here with a really good argument?
But what if I find a large number of very reliable sources all claiming that Nazism is left-wing?
Then you will be more than welcome to show them to us, so that we can see that they are very reliable and that they assert that Nazism is a left-wing ideology. If they are, then we will change the article.
Latest comment: 4 years ago5 comments5 people in discussion
Is there a particular reason this article would exclude Canada, Mexico, Central America and the Caribbean islands? If not then the title should be changed to 'Nazism in the Americas' or 'Nazism in the Western Hemisphere'. Trilobright (talk) 18:45, 3 April 2020 (UTC)Reply
Yes, I'm going to go ahead and change the title, it's geographically ignorant and US centric ignoring the fact that Mexico and Canada are also North American and also ignores seven Central American Nations situated on the isthmus between North and South America.
In my opinion there are two problems with Nazism in the Western world as a title. The first being that Nazism is a Western ideology, two out of the three Axis powers were Western nations, Italy and Germany (some argue that Japan is also, but I think that's a nonsense). I think Nazism in the Americas works well if focusing on the Americas (North, Central and South)...or perhaps "Nazism in the USA" if you wanted to focus exclusively on the USA. The second is that many scholars consider Latin America to be its own thing, neither Eastern nor Western, so if we are focused on the Americas then the West certainly does not refer to the majority of nations in the Americas. Anecdotally, I think it is safe to say that most Latinos do not identify as Westerners. Looking at the article I think the title "Nazism in the Americas" works best. Bacondrum (talk) 22:29, 8 October 2020 (UTC)Reply
It is not a good idea to use a translation of the title in the Spanish WP; as long as it includes large parts of North America and South America the title does not need to be changed. Whether or not there is Nazism in Canada, Central America or the Caribbean is not of great importance.--Johnsoniensis (talk) 16:43, 26 January 2021 (UTC)Reply
Thanks, Nazi's that went into hiding in Latin America is definitely a big section we've yet to address. I actually met a German in Nicaragua back in 2006 who's parents were NAZI sympathisers and had gone into hiding there after the war, I remember him saying there was a small community of them near Matagalpa, Nicaragua. Thanks for the German Guatemalan Nazi Sympathizer link. I'll look into expanding on that. Interesting subject. Bacondrum22:41, 26 January 2021 (UTC)Reply
Just a note that Fascism and Nazism are not the same and changing the title would also change the scope of this article, which is a bigger question than a name change. Sjö (talk) 10:16, 6 February 2021 (UTC)Reply
I reverted the move to Fascism in the Americas, since it was made without consensus. And as I understand the discussion above the consensus is against moving it to that title. Sjö (talk) 08:28, 27 February 2021 (UTC)Reply
Latest comment: 3 years ago15 comments8 people in discussion
There have been for some time what I see as problematic edits from a user that geolocates to Brazil, using the IP range 2804:14c:5bb3:a319*. Since the IP changes often, and because this article is their main focus, I will adress their edits here. There are edits that add sources that do not support the stated text, as well as additions that is not about Nazism, and (which is a minor point) adding untranslated templates.
This recent edit, for example, does not support the statement "Nazi and fascist parties and other pro-Nazi organizations were formed in the Americas" because it says nothing about Nazism or, as far as I can see, nothing about the formation of any organizations. As it deals with the rise of the radical right in Trump's America it is also very much out of place in a sentence about the interwar period in North and South America.
This edit has no connection to Nazism in the America. It also makes a value judgment (not included in the source) that the experiments are worse than Nazism. To each his own, but personally I think that genocide of "inferior" races is much worse than what the source describes.
This edit about social inequality compares that of the US in the 1979s 1970s to "Fascist France". Not only does that have nothing to do with Nazism, the source is a diagram showing only curves for France.
According to this edit Democrat Tulsi Gabbard in 2018 was asked to reach a peace agreement in Syria and that she met Nazi members of the opposition. Neither of these statements are supported by the source.
Here the editor adds an article about Christopher Cantwell (born 1980) as a reference to what happened in the inter-war period and at the outbreak of World War II.
There seems to be a couple of common themes to these edits: First, that the editor seems to me to equate Nazism = Fascism = white supremacy. While these are similar and in part overlapping concepts, they are not synonyms for each other and if anyone wants to source something about Nazism they need a source that actually uses that term. Second, that sources are added without checking if they support the text. Third, that text and sources are added that mostly paint the US in a bad light. I would like to ask the Brazilian editor to take greater care when adding text and references, and other editors to be aware that there might be tweaks needed when the Brazilian editor has added something to this article. Sjö (talk) 18:02, 7 February 2021 (UTC)Reply
Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to add unsourced or poorly sourced content, you may be blocked from editing. Your recent additions are not supported by the sources. It is impossible for Fidel Castro's Cuba to fundraise an organization that has not existed since WWII, and the source about Bolsonaro does not call him a fascist and does not say that he is or has been called a Nazist. Sjö (talk) 13:53, 9 February 2021 (UTC)Reply
(Do you mean you are editing in your sleep? If so, please be serious.) Anyway, in this edit you say that Fidel Castro "fundraising the ex-SS". I think that you might mean some other word, maybe "used" or "recruited". As it was written, it had no support in the source, which is why I removed it. It was also poor English, and I do not see how this is relevant to an article about Nazism, especially since the source calls them "ex nazistas".19:24, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
Like I said, stop your disruptive editing. For one thing this article is about Nazism, which is not the same as Fascism. Second, you must read the article and the edits you make to see that the text makes sense. The first sentence in the article, after your addition, jumps from a complete clause to an addition that is tacked on as it equates a sentence describing something that happened to a noun. Third, it is pretty obvious that you often only skim the sources before you add them, if you do read them at all, since they don't support your changes. My guess is that you simply google the phrase "american fascism" and add whatever comes up. Sjö (talk) 05:02, 18 February 2021 (UTC)Reply
I do not understand what you are asking, so please tell me which of these alternatives you mean, or clarify if you mean something else: Why is Fascism not the same as Nazism? Why should I not edit disruptively? Why do you think I edit disruptively? Why must sources support the text? Why must my additions make sense?Sjö (talk) 07:20, 20 February 2021 (UTC)Reply
@Nildo ouriques:. Hi, I guess that you are the Brazilian editor mentioned above, right? Then I don't have to remind you about the importance of sourcing with references that support the changes. If you like, we can discuss your proposed changes on this talk page, to find a solution with coherent and well sourced content. Sjö (talk) 16:34, 27 February 2021 (UTC)Reply
"National Socialism" is never correct. "After the NSDAP's rise to power in the 1930s, the use of the term "Nazi" by itself or in terms such as "Nazi Germany", "Nazi regime", and so on was popularised by German exiles outside the country, but not in Germany. From them, the term spread into other languages and it was eventually brought back into Germany after World War II. The NSDAP briefly adopted the designation "Nazi" in an attempt to reappropriate the term" Dimadick (talk) 03:58, 14 March 2024 (UTC)Reply
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Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to add unsourced or poorly sourced content, you may be blocked from editing. Your recent additions are not supported by the sources. It is impossible for Fidel Castro's Cuba to fundraise an organization that has not existed since WWII, and the source about Bolsonaro does not call him a fascist and does not say that he is or has been called a Nazist. Sjö (talk) 13:53, 9 February 2021 (UTC)