Talk:Natural law

history

(There should be a more exact history of the natural law, e.g. that the idea first appeared in the Roman Law.)

other view

Should probably also mention that natural law is used by people such as Thomas Hobbes to justify political absolutism... the article right now doesn't cover that aspect. ~ Booyabazooka 01:26, 30 Sep 2004 (UTC)

transcendental or immanental? or both?

serious questions worth an answer:

considering that the unified field of all the laws of nature (the constitution of the universe) is exactly what theology calls holy spirit (god) which is the source of all, and is omnipresent (in the nucleus of every atom in the universe), omniscient (possessing total knowledge and wisdom), and omnipotent (able to manifest infinite creative potential), is there then any real valid difference between transcendental and immanental? and why not call the technique "transcendental meditation" by the term "immanental meditation" since everything is from within the mind anyway?

i personally like the sound of "nature's meditation", since the laws of nature and of nature's god is the fundamental basis for our own existence. what thinkest you?

see:

http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Natural_law

http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Immanentism

http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Transcendence

reorganization?

I was curious as to whether there would be consensus regarding a reorganization of this page. I think we might gain additional clarity by treating the topic historically, noting what natural law meant to the stoics, the Thomists, the early moderns, legal scholars, contemporary theorists, etc. This might help avoid the trend to say what natural law "really is," or provide additional defenses/critiques of it in he article. The most recent addition of a long meditation of what it means to be a person, how this relates to nature, and to sexuality, for example, seems alien to natural law tradition of, say, the stoics. Noting that the concept has evolved might avoid such distortions. In some theories, it is inseparable from theology, in some it is very separate, and in some it is oblivious to theological questions. It might also be good to note that natural law legal theories have diverged from their philosophic roots; this would avoid the cross-disciplinary confusion that can oftentimes result. -RJC 02:20, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)

The article as it is now it is all over the place in some parts and is not very reader friendly so a reorganization, I would imagine, would be well received. -- PullUpYourSocks 02:46, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Political party

What about the U.K. political party of the same name? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.68.72.46 (talk • contribs)

completely unrelated. similar parties exist around the world. some disambiguation may be necessary.

Daoism?

I think Daoism should be mentioned somewhere on this page. The base idea of the Dao is that there is universal, not written laws, which seems to fit well withen the ideas of natural law.

"It has been included in an Ethno-Celtic breakaway subculture, as it has religious undertones and freedom of religious expression allows it to once again be used as a valid system in Western Europe"

What is this meant to mean? Brehon law is not used in Ireland anymore, and the source doesn't mention anything about this Adhiyana (talk) 08:21, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

Here is my suggestion

I suggest that we change the opening of the article. The opening that I suggest is goes like this -

"Natural law is a legal framework founded upon the meticulous examination of natural order and human behavior. It asserts that intrinsic values inherent to human nature can be discerned and applied independently of the explicit laws enacted by a state or society."

That to me seems bang on and not to mention much more effective than the current opening. What do you guys say? Adityaverma8998 (talk) 15:11, 2 May 2024 (UTC)