Talk:National Airlines Flight 2511

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The libelous bit about Julian Frank is unsupported by any facts and out to be sourced or deleted. Remember the highly-publicized bit about the guy who helped shoot JFK? Sure, Frank may be dead, but it would be nice to source this. I'll come back in a few days and remove that part.

I did a bit of poking around in the Times historical archive.. news reports support the fact that the investigation centered around Frank. I added a reference and expanded the article a bit. Rhobite 18:08, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:National Airlines Flight 2511/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: MusikAnimal (talk · contribs) 18:58, 13 November 2014 (UTC)

I'll be reviewing this good article nomination. The article is a bit sizable, so it may take me a little while. I'll keep you posted! — MusikAnimal ^talk 18:58, 13 November 2014 (UTC)

Thank for your patience! I have completed the review, as follows:

GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria

1. Is it reasonably well written?

   A. Prose is "clear and concise", without copyvios, or spelling and grammar errors:

   B. MoS compliance for lead, layout, words to watch, fiction, and lists:

2. Is it factually accurate and verifiable?

   A. Has an appropriate reference section:

   B. Citations to reliable sources:

   C. No original research:

3. Is it broad in its coverage?

   A. Major aspects:

   B. Focused:

4. Is it neutral?

   Fair representation without bias:

5. Is it stable?

   No edit wars, etc:

6. Does it contain images to illustrate the topic?

   A. Images are tagged with their copyright status, and valid fair use rationales are provided for non-free content:

   B. Images are provided if possible and are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions:

7. Overall:

   Pass or Fail:

Concerns

Flight history

• Flight 2511's flight plan called for it to fly south from of New York, to Wilmington, NC … I'm not sure about the grammar and punctuation here. I think you mean something like "Flight 2511's flight plan called for it to fly south of New York to Wilmington, NC, where it could veer east over the Atlantic Ocean".
• The crew checked in with Wilmington Airport at 2:07 a.m, Missing the period after the "m" in a.m. I would also put "a.m." next to the 2:31. Finally, per MOS:TIME we should either use a hard space with "2:07 a.m." or use {{nowrap|2:07 a.m.}} so that the time and the a.m. don't end up on different lines, depending on screen size. Sorry for being picky on these little things!

Aftermath

• He called Wilmington airport to report… here we don't capitalize the "a" in airport when we do in the last paragraph of the Flight history section. I think in this context it is still a proper noun and should be capitalized.
• The 2:45 a.m. and 7:00 a.m. in this section should use the {{nowrap}} template (or  )
• Are we sure Snow's March meets WP:REDYES?

Investigations

• I'll ask again as you'll know better than me, would Continental Bank (Cuba) meet WP:REDYES (currently notable enough to be created)?
• Under "Bombing", last paragraph, do we want to link "Senate Aviation subcommittee" to United States Senate Commerce Subcommittee on Aviation Operations, Safety, and Security? If not I think linking only the Senate part as you have it now is fine.

Conclusions

• MOS:TIME again, here we have 02:300 A.M. and 02:38 AM, which should be 2:30 a.m. and 2:38 a.m., respectively, to be consistent with the rest of the article.

That concludes my review. Overall this article is pretty well-written, I think, and we should have no problem addressing the above concerns. I'll place the article on hold for now. — MusikAnimal ^talk 04:02, 21 November 2014 (UTC)

Response

Thank you for taking the time to review the article. I know it's a bit longer than the usual GA candidate.

• "Flight 2511's flight plan..." — the 'of' following the from is definitely a typo; I also removed the comma after 'New York.' The sentence now reads: Flight 2511's flight plan called for it to fly south from New York to Wilmington, NC, where it would veer east over the Atlantic Ocean. Does that make more sense?

• I added a {{nowrap}} around all time designations and normalized the notation to p.m. and a.m. for consistency.

• Removed the link from Snow's Marsh. Some further research makes it seem like this is really just a swampy area in North Carolina, with little merit as a standalone article. At most it might merit a mention in the Kure Beach article, to which it is geographically adjacent, and which is already linked.

• I am unsure if the Continental Bank does merit a link. The bank has been mentioned (without a link) in another article, under its proper local name of Banco Continental Cubano. The Spanish wiki also makes mention of it, but it does not have an article there either. I am unsure if this is due to the general lack of Cuban participation on the wiki's, or if it is defunct or regional or unimportant, etc. There are mentions of it in the memoirs of Cuban-Americans who fled the Castro regime, but little in the way of official literature, which could be taken to mean it had gone out of business prior to the proliferation of the internet (or a dozen other possible reasons.) I erred on the side of caution and removed the link from that as well.

• With regards to the subcommittee -- the Senate Committee on Commerce, Science and Transportation was established in 1977. The United States Senate Commerce Subcommittee on Aviation Operations, Safety, and Security is a subcommittee of that. In 1960, when this hearing occurred, it was before the Senate subcommittee of Aviation, under the Committee on Interstate and Foreign Commerce.

Actually thank you for bringing this up -- digging deeper allowed me to find the actual minutes of the hearing in question!

The other suggested changes were made as well. Mûĸĸâĸûĸâĸû _(blah?) 22:38, 22 November 2014 (UTC)

Y Great work! With all GA criteria met, I am passing this nomination. Congratulations! — MusikAnimal ^talk 20:43, 23 November 2014 (UTC)