Talk:Nasal release
Latest comment: 6 years ago by Nardog in topic another nasal stop consonant
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kwami, why are you reverting edits that use normal palatalization notation and insisting on the laminal symbols?
Peter Isotalo 00:27, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
- I'll put it back. I must've been confused. kwami 01:40, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
another nasal stop consonant
editI am new to this and don't know much about phonetics. Is there a name for the plosive created when remove your velum from the back of your pharynx while keeping your oral cavity blocked? I didn't find about it anywhere. In general what is the name for creating a sound with the velum and the back of the pharynx (velar already means with the velum and the tongue)? 87.167.25.206 (talk) 20:01, 7 July 2018 (UTC)
- That sounds like just a velar nasal. All nasal consonants (nasal stops) are made with the oral cavity blocked, by the lips or the tongue. Nardog (talk) 09:22, 8 July 2018 (UTC)
- Actually I think the velar nasal would be the the voiced consonant that occurs when my nasal cavity is unblocked. But i want to know what you call the actual stop part of this postnasalized stop, not the nasal that comes after. It's like a glottal stop/glottal release except that you create it with your velum blocking and unblocking your nasal cavity only and not with the glottis blocking the oral and nasal cavities. 2003:C9:9F09:BC00:74D0:3660:7F8D:DA97 (talk) 06:47, 9 July 2018 (UTC)
- That is a velopharyngeal stop or velic nasal plosive (Poyatos 1993:107) – or (one type of) snort. But I don't think many linguistic phoneticians would classify this as a separate phone, because if the oral cavity is blocked, that is just a nasal stop, and if the tongue is down and the lips are open, that is just a nasal vowel; I seriously doubt the sound is distinctive in any language, because it's pretty hard to make it without simultaneously making a glottal stop. But other speech scientists and pathologists may be taking note of it because one can surely open the velopharyngeal port smoothly so that no explosive sound is heard, and also make such a sound akin to a glottal stop by building pressure in the pharynx and opening it rapidly (it's curious extIPA not only doesn't have a symbol for it but in its latest chart the cell for velopharyngeal plosives is shaded, indicating impossibility – but if a trill is possible, why not a stop?). You've brought up something that never occurred to me! Nardog (talk) 07:39, 9 July 2018 (UTC)
- Actually I think the velar nasal would be the the voiced consonant that occurs when my nasal cavity is unblocked. But i want to know what you call the actual stop part of this postnasalized stop, not the nasal that comes after. It's like a glottal stop/glottal release except that you create it with your velum blocking and unblocking your nasal cavity only and not with the glottis blocking the oral and nasal cavities. 2003:C9:9F09:BC00:74D0:3660:7F8D:DA97 (talk) 06:47, 9 July 2018 (UTC)