Talk:Murder of Suzanne Capper/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: KimChee (talk) 02:12, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

The article has a good amount of detail and the citations have been properly formatted. See the following criteria for suggestions of improvement to GA status:

GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria

1. Is it reasonably well written?

   A. Prose quality:

   B. MoS compliance:

   • Dates do not need to be formatted for American English, but it is recommended that full dates that are treated as parentheticals be followed by commas. Please see Winston Churchill as an example of a GA article on a British subject.
   • Punctuation should be within quotation marks if part of the quote itself. See WP:MoS#Punctuation inside or outside.
   • Dashes in ages are necessary only when used as a compound phrase or an adjective before a noun. (e.g. My ten-year-old son is ten years old.)
   • Some long sentences should be broken up into shorter ones. The article may benefit from a round of copyediting for flow.
   • The verdict for each defendant does not need to be its own section.
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2. Is it factually accurate and verifiable?

   A. References to sources:

   B. Citation of reliable sources where necessary:

   • Only three out of 39 references link to verifiable live sources. I recommend searching Google Archives or the archives of major publishers such as The Guardian. Verifiability is especially important in an article regarding criminal activity in which a number of those involved are living subjects. Any information that is derived from witness or police testimony, especially in the background and events leading to murder, should also be attributed in the prose. (e.g. "John said that...", "According to court documents...", etc.) KimChee (talk) 02:12, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

   • Citations - see WP:PAYWALL; the murder and trial took place before the internet as we know it existed and I had to use archived copies of newspapers provided through my library to find reliable sources. They exist and are verifiable - but as per the policy "[t]he principle of verifiability implies nothing about ease of access to sources." Keristrasza (talk) 10:02, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

   • Because of the article history, I am inclined to assume good faith. However, as subjects within this article are still alive, it is held under the higher standards of WP:BLP. Every citation does not need an online counterpart, but many applicable facts will likely be summarized in older articles that have since been transcribed online by major news publishers. For example, a quick check of some of the offline headlines cited by the article: KimChee (talk) 00:14, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

   • Woman 'sat numb as girl burned': Court told of teenager's screams
   • Chucky films defended
   • Sex with 'Chucky' killer

   • Make sure citations of offline literary sources specify page numbers, where possible. KimChee (talk) 00:14, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

   C. No original research:

3. Is it broad in its coverage?

   A. Major aspects:

   B. Focused:

4. Is it neutral?

   Fair representation without bias:

5. Is it stable?

   No edit wars, etc:

6. Does it contain images to illustrate the topic?

   A. Images are copyright tagged, and non-free images have fair use rationales:

   B. Images are provided where possible and appropriate, with suitable captions:

   • Additional supporting images are recommended for an article of this length. (e.g. hospital, road, vehicle) KimChee (talk) 02:12, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

   • The Child's Play 3 poster was removed because it is a non-free commercial image without a fair use rationale to justify its use outside of a topic directly related to the film.
   • The caption for the map (as well as the lead paragraph) was edited because the location of the attack is not within Romiley. You may find an additional usable image from the article for Werneth Low.
   • The caption for the vehicle is appropriate, but I presume the model driven in England had the steering wheel on the opposite side? You may want to check Wikimedia Commons in case a closer match exists. KimChee (talk) 00:14, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

7. Overall:

   Pass or Fail: Awaiting improvements or additional comments before it is passed or failed. KimChee (talk) 02:12, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

   • Passed. Good work on improving the article. KimChee (talk) 19:31, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

Comments re: GA fixes

• Changes in eg. punctuation, made
• Images - Map added, but I haven't been able to find a source which states the exact model of car used, only its colour and that it was a Panda. I have added an image of a Panda which would have been common at the time, and is probably the correct model, but have described it as "similar" as I cannot be precise. Similarly, although there are several pictures of the hospital on Wikipedia, I don't have the local knowledge to know which relate to the hospital or part of the hospital to which Capper was taken. Given how sprawling older British hospitals tend to be, perhaps a Wikipedian from the Manchester area could provide that info, or even (non-Google Maps) images of some of the locations involved. Keristrasza (talk) 10:02, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

• (see individual comments above) KimChee (talk) 00:14, 16 October 2010 (UTC)