Talk:Mount Panorama Circuit

Murrays Corner

Isn't this corner named after Murray Walker? as he used to do the commentary for the race... --Skully Collins 21:54, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Dunno, but I don't think so. Murray Walker has only occasionally commentated on Bathurst; during the 1970s and 1980s when Channel 7 had the rights the lead commentator was a guy called Mike Raymond if memory serves me correctly. --Robert Merkel 22:03, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, it's just that I can't think of any other reason why it's called Murray's corner...I guess it's like Druids at Silverstone, because that corner isn't named after anything particular is it? --Skully Collins 11:47, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Like McPhillamy Park Corner it was named for one of the original land owners, IIRC. Murray Walker did not commentate at Bathurst until the 1997 Supertouring Bathurst, perhaps you are confusing him with legendary American race caller Chris Economaki who was a regular visitor to Channel 7's telecast during the 70's & 80's?Falcadore 09:28, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

To correct myself, Murray's Corner was named after 1947 Australian Grand Prix (held at Bathurst) winner, Bill Murray, after an incident that occurred there while driving a Hudson. --Falcadore 12:21, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

GTX Bend???

This corner has several names I know - but I've always called it Griffins Bend....I know the current name is CAT Corner...219.89.27.187 07:27, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Events at Mt Panorama

I would like to suggest that someone add details of the events which are held on Mt Panorama (past & present). I came to this page looking for information on the 12-hour endurance race, but couldn't find any information. Shaz91 05:43, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

Something like that? --Falcadore 12:12, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

The list of Bathurst events is getting over-long, I propose to separate the list of results into a separate page (like this) and link it back to this page. --Falcadore 00:02, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

I was just thinking of that. Perhaps keep the last five or ten years, with a link off to the full list. --Imroy 01:16, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Nice idea, but a supplemental, this list is going to get unmanageable if we include support races as well, like this one, which was a support event for this race. In addition to breaking out the list I'd propose to listing main events only, with support events linking off of the page of the main event. Comment? --Falcadore 07:01, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

My intention in adding the 2000 3 Hour race to the list was not to instigate an expansion to cover support events a such. I added it because I felt that it was a major event in its own right and therefore well worthy of inclusion. Given that the "Bathurst 500" & "Bathurst 1000" events are already covered in the table on the Bathurst 1000 page, would it make more sense to limit the table on the Mount Panorama Circuit page to major events OTHER THAN the 500s and 1000s? ```` —Preceding unsigned comment added by GTHO (talk • contribs) 09:41, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

We'll have to agree to disagree as to the status of the two/three hour races, they felt very much like support races at the track. I created the list at Shaz91's request, but plainly it's getting to long for the article. If we were to delete the Bathurst 1000's from the list, surely then we should delete the Australian Grands Prix as well as they too are already listed elsewhere? Then when someone writes a Bathurst 12 Hour article, they'd drop out as well? The list of events I believe should be a list of events, not support events. Bearing in mind, the top ten shoot out, held on the same day as the Bathurst 3 Hour, got considerably more coverage and attention, thus more or less defining the Three Hour as a support event. --Falcadore 10:57, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

The Chase

Dose any one know how it was named.Mad Maper 10:57, 2 Feburary 2008

Caltex's idea. --Falcadore (talk) 14:27, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Track map

The current track map looks to be out dated inaccurate and contradicts the rest of the article. .Mad Maper 4:21, 4 Feburary 2008

Looks fine to me. The only change of significance in the 70+ years of it's existance was the addition of the Chase, and it's there, what precisely is your problem with it? --Falcadore (talk) 07:25, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

I compared it with 2 other maps and Griffins bend is too blunt, Murray’s and hell corner are to shape, Conrod straight looks bent and finely it looks like its been drawn by a 15 year old.Mad Maper 4:08, 6 Feburary 2008

It's semi-accurate. If you can find an image where copyright is not a problem, or can create one from a photomap then that's fantastic, upload it in. Otherwise I'd imagine it a fairly low priority. According to the information in the image, it was created by Astrokey44, so your first stop might be to ask him/her directly about your issues with the image. --Falcadore (talk) 07:13, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Does not look fine to me... wha tha ya want... I'm Canadian... and a French one on top of that! The Bathurst 24 Hour page uses a different one but I also have problems with it. The graphic it self seem to follows the standard track picture format, quite different from the one used here and the layout seem more accurate but I never ran there. My problems are with the corner names: Like Griffins and Quarry are switched compared to the one here and isn't it Brock's Skyline? The Dipper and Forest's Elbow is also marked at the wrong place. But the layout is pretty nice.Netweezurd (talk) 09:44, 12 October 2016 (UTC)

Lap Records

It says Greg Murphy's record stands unofficial because he set the time during the shootout. However, and correct me if I'm wrong, I believe that there are records kept for Qualifying/Shootouts as well, so shouldn't his time be marked as an official record in the article?Baggers89 (talk) 02:41, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

No. Lap record is for race laps only. Qualifying lap records are maintained by a number of people, myself inculded, but qualifying has never counted towards lap records in Australia. It's essentially a TV stat. --Falcadore (talk) 02:47, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

I've heard the term "unofficial lap record" used in various types of motorsport to refer to lap times run under qualifying rather than race trim. Hence, Murphy's time would be considered the unofficial lap record as it was a qualifying lap.Krashski35 (talk) 21:26, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

The old track lap record was actually held by an open wheeler from the formula5000 series, however, the times, dates and other details I dont have access to anymore. I am going from memory at the moment which put the outright record in the 2:05 to 2:08 range, which was also on the track without the chase...

I know the records are out there somewhere, but I just cant find it at the moment. there should also be previous class records as there has been a LOT of class racing conducted there.Theloneoutsider (talk) 05:16, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

The Formula 5000 record was in the region of 2:10/2:11 and was held by Neil Allen in a McLaren M10 and was surpassed almost a decade ago. --Falcadore (talk) 05:21, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

The record was never surpassed because it was set on the old layout before the chase was introduced. It is still the outright lap record for the old layout. I was referring this for placement into the section listing old lap records, where the group a and group c records are listed. having reference to series production lap records would also be nice to see Theloneoutsider (talk) 21:41, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

New mini-circuit

'There are plans to create a new circuit using the bottom of the track to make it more suitable for motorcycle racing.' The new circuit is not for motorcycles, it's so they can operate a racetrack while not closing the circuits for the residents, the line should be pulled, but I can't for the moment find a supporting source. --Falcadore (talk) 07:05, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

When was conrod Straight named?

What year did Frank Kleinig have the connecting rod failure Conrod straight is named for? Bizzybody (talk) 00:22, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

Found it. During the Easter race of 1939. http://www.therealmountpanorama.com/bathursttour/conrod.php Bizzybody (talk) 00:26, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

Lap record

According to CAMS NCR 22 and 23 Speed Events and Races are defined separately. They can't be combined for lap record purposes any more than Top Ten shootout laps or Rally Special stages can. --Falcadore (talk) 09:01, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

Commercial use of Wikipedia

The official Bathurst 1000 website - http://bathurst.v8supercars.com.au/ - is directly linking to this article instead of explaining the circuit on their own site. Policy questions aside, perhaps temporary removal of some of the article images for the next few days would reduce the traffic burden on Wikimedia/Wikipedia/etc. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.149.175.180 (talk) 13:05, 6 October 2012 (UTC)

Conrod Straight

There has been for some months now persistent claims about the Caltex Chase being installed because of FIA regulation regarding the 1987 World Championship regulation. This is false for a number of reasons.

• a) There is the persistant citing of Conrod Straight being over two kilometres long. It is shorter than 2.0.
• b) The calendar for the 1987 WTCC was announced in August of 1986. The track with the original Conrod Straight alignment, had already received FIA approval.
• c) The race track primarily affected by the FIA straight length edict was of course, Le Mans Circuit de la Sarthe, with its six kilometre plus Mulsanne Straight. It acquired two chicanes in 1990. Three years after the events surrounding the creation of the Caltex Chase.
• d) Mike Burgmann, at the time of his death, was an office bearer of the circuits organising club, the Australian Racing Drivers Club. He was part of the process of the circuit gaining its FIA certification.

Therefore, the FIA edict did not come into effect until 1990, thus has no bearing on the construction of the chase. The circuit was approved for the WTCC before Burgmann's death.

The Chase was installed because of Burgmann's death and not for any other reason. --Falcadore (talk) 02:59, 13 June 2015 (UTC)

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Latest lap records

So I'm unsure as to the validity of this, but this did just happen: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9iGW7YbGvuw — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ramthecowy (talk • contribs) 21:57, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

not as fast as Button
he (someone) says (comments) it was a practice day Dave Rave (talk) 07:22, 3 September 2019 (UTC)

Other circuits

Is that four new entries that need to be re-searched and written ? Dave Rave (talk) 05:22, 29 April 2020 (UTC)

S5000 Lap Record Times

S5000 ran the first of their 4 races at Mount Panorama yesterday, a fastest lap of 1:59.8 was recorded.

I'm just wondering why this wouldn't count as the Race Lap Record.

https://s5000.com.au/result/bathurst/

https://www.v8sleuth.com.au/golding-wins-accident-shortened-s5000-debut-at-bathurst/

https://www.speedcafe.com/2021/12/02/golding-wins-first-ever-s5000-race-at-mount-panorama/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Noofnoof (talk • contribs) 23:24, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

Well now you've got me confused! The page as it currently exists shows the race lap record as 2:01.567 (New Zealand Shane van Gisbergen, McLaren 650S GT3, 2016, GT3). I can't even find any corroboration of this. And it is way slower than any of the S5000 records. I was taking the race lap record as that from the Bathurst 1000, but now I see that it's the circuit record we should be after. And the old circuit record was by a Formula 5000.

Where did the GT3 record come from? What record should we show? Would it be helpful to have some other viewpoints on this?

peterl (talk) 23:43, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

In the Lap Records section table at the bottom of the article, many lap times have a reference, Including the previous GT3 record. I gave a reference for the edit made, from the official race timing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Noofnoof (talk • contribs) 00:36, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

the ref for the race result says it was shy of the race record, which is shown in the race records box at the bottom WHICH IS NOT SHOWN in the top of the infobox ? something is being too 1000-centric in their reporting, Mies times should be in the infobox. Dave Rave (talk) 00:52, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

but I'm also not seeing any results page for Mies time and the video looks like a practice lap Dave Rave (talk) 01:13, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

and the notes say some restrictions removed, the video is def a practice lap, so it's NOT a record, it's just a Button time. Mies needs a note alongside Button and Murphy, but not a lap record. Dave Rave (talk) 01:23, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

SVG's time is noted and ref'd and the archive page looks just like an updated current version, Mies shows it's a demo on his video, see the earlier comments cpl of paragraphs up, all the worlds autosport expert writers for articles don't understand lap records, etc ...
If I missed a dot pls fix it, it's 4.30am and it's bed time Dave Rave (talk) 17:33, 3 December 2021 (UTC)