Talk:Moritz von Sandizell

Clarification

@LeonIm24 : The article says: "In 1532, he was admitted to the Freising Cathedral chapter. He became a member of the Freisinger cathedral chapter in 1546." What needs clarifying is the difference between being admitted to the chapter and becoming a member of the chapter because as it stands they sound the same. Any thoughts? Ingratis (talk) 09:11, 29 February 2024 (UTC) @LeonIm24:

@Ingratis: I apologize for any misunderstanding. To clarify, the first sentence indicates that he became a general member of the Freising Cathedral chapter in 1532. The second sentence suggests that by 1546, he had attained a higher rank within the Freisinger cathedral chapter. I will correct this mistake promptly. ~~~~ LeonIm24 (talk) 16:47, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

@Ingratis: I apologize for any confusion in my previous message. Upon closer examination of my sources, I have learned that he was initially accepted into the Domkapitel in 1532, but it was not until 1546 that he officially became a member. Have a nice day! LeonIm24 (talk) 17:13, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

@LeonIm24: Thanks for taking another look at this. I won't replace the template, but I'm afraid the problem is not solved. I think your first idea above is the right one. There certainly is a significant change in status from 1532 to 1546, or the NDB would not mention it at all, and the present wording entirely misses this, in that there is no real difference in meaning between "[being] accepted into the chapter" and "becoming a member" of it. Looking at the NDB, in 1532 he was admitted in some undefined capacity (as a Domherr? possibly as a layman, since I note that his ordination date is not given) to the chapter; in 1546 he became a Domkapitular: there is a definite elevation in status which needs to be brought out. English usage is not much help, as to my (limited) knowledge all members of a chapter are necessarily canons, so there is something else / more going on here. Sorry to push this back to you, as your source (the NDB) is irritatingly unhelpful, but we need some way round this, either in terms of more information or in a better form of words.

I've just seen this, which clarifies it. I'll add it. Ingratis (talk) 13:11, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for sharing the link and for correcting the text! LeonIm24 (talk) 15:28, 1 March 2024 (UTC)