Talk:Mojito

typo

"fe" ingredients is probably supposed to read "five" ingredients — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.232.228.83 (talk) 20:09, 12 April 2017 (UTC)

Muddle link muddled

I disabled the muddle link in the directions on how to make it because it linked to another page that was a Mr Muddle. I still don't know what muddling is but that's ok. Hinchu (talk) 01:49, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Muddling is using a tool, usually wooden, that resembles a small baseball bat, to mash up ingredients in the bottom of a glass before adding other ingredients. They resemble a mortar and pestle, but the mashing/grinding surface is flat (or a bit more flat), and mashes against the flat bottom of the glass. Muddling is important because it releases the essential oils of the ingredient(s). It's critical in making a mojito (and several other cocktails) because otherwise you end up with limeade and rum. Also, you'll probably want to use about twice the amount of mint shown on this page. http://www.drinkboy.com/BarTools/Muddler.html http://www.mojitocompany.com/home.php?cat=108 66.167.206.113 (talk) 07:01, 20 May 2008 (UTC) (Just wandering by)

Bacardi =

"Its popularity is evidenced by its prominent role in recent Bacardi advertisements." The adveritsing campaign is hardly evidence of the popularity of the cocktail. This sentence seems to be an advertisement for Bacardi. The use of "recent" is non-encyclopedic; there is no indication of what time frame is considered "recent". —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 4.156.135.88 (talk) 15:09:51, August 19, 2007 (UTC)

References, Bond

I messed up the reference for Hemingway. Can someone who knows better than I do show me how to fix this?

Also, the item that state that James Bond "used one" -- can someone who saw the film write a better description than "used"? Did he drink it? Poison one? Seduce the villainess? MacGyver a hot air balloon out of a Mojito and trash bag? Travisl 18:39, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

I'd guess that if James Bond had one it was in one of the books not the movies. He has a variety of different drinks in the books and is not nearly so predictable as to always drink martinis. He typically drinks what ever is local in his books. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.106.184.69 (talk) 05:20, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Recipe

The basic recipe would probably be helpful. --69.183.169.247 04:36, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

I tried it before, but consensus is that it's best left in the Wikibooks link Travisl 18:14, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

I'm not an expert bartender but shouldn't that be mulled lime rather than muddled lime? - Mark Dixon 00:59, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure muddled is correct. "A muddler is a bartender's tool, used to "muddle" -- or make a mash of -- fruits, herbs, and/or spices in the bottom of a glass to release their flavor." I'll wikify the word in the article. Travisl 16:42, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

A muddler, was originally called a Toddy Stick, and was used to break lumps of sugar, in drinks such as the Toddy!-). A Mojito's mint is not mashed into a paste-like mixture, the muddler should be used to gently bruise the Mint leaves and release the aroma. Mashing the mint results in the vegetal flavours of the mint coming out. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Thinking bartender George (talk • contribs) 13:58, 27 April 2007 (UTC).

A muddler is not called a toddy stick. The toddy tree, is where us the toddy getsbits name and it was originally prescribed to you. It far far predates the earliest muddlers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1:C6E1:BDC1:A87F:C0E0:E4D:CAC (talk) 14:05, 2 October 2018 (UTC)

As I mentioned above in October of last year, recipes are best left in Wikibooks. See WP:NOT#GUIDE, which states, "Wikipedia articles should not include instructions ... or contain "how-to"s. This includes ... recipes." Travisl 15:58, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

But, just to show how confused I am (and perhaps contradict myself), see Template talk:WPMIXInfobox which states that one purpose of the template is reducing "nearly all contentious "recipe" information (which is generally considered not acceptable within Wikipedia) to a small list of key ingredients (which essentially defines the drink much like the chemical formula does a molecule), and very brief preparation steps. All of this is moved outside the article and into the infobox, keeping the article clearly more encyclopedic in tone."

However, they note in the template's discussion page that "one of the biggest challenges we face in dealing with drink recipes and the ... guideline that says not to include recipes." I'm confused, but I think that if we do insist on keeping the recipe, it should be in an infobox. Travisl 16:06, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

If you're going to remove links, though, be consistent about it and remove all links from every cocktail entry on wikipedia. I've gone through every cocktail entry on this entire site over the last few years and cleaned up external links. Some are good-faith additions and are noticeably useful, especially if there is some background on the drink. Some are spammy copies of other people's recipes, on a site that's not much of an authority. Links are fine, we just don't need 20 recipe links for one cocktail. But at the very least, the ingredients and/or method should be sourced to an authority site, because people always randomly add ingredients to different cocktail pages that simply don't belong there. 70.149.186.21 16:29, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

External Link

Hello, I am one of the producers of watchmojo.com. We have 2,000 videos; I've been contributing to Wikipedia for a few months under Froosh, 24.202.247.12 and 66.130.88.90. I make corrections, add content and sporadically add external links to videos when they add to the content (about 20 recipes and guitar riffs from our archive of 2,000 videos). We own the rights so Wikipedia would not violate any copyright issues by linking to them.

Would an editor consider adding this video drink recipe of a Mojito to this page?

http://watchmojo.com/lifestyle/drinks/023_mojito.php

I saw that a Tom Collins video was added to the Wikipedia page, I spoke to Wil Mahan and he asked that I post this request here.

Thanks in advance

Caipirinha a spinoff?

Who the hell put that? I deleted it

If anything, it's the other way around, since caipirinhas have existed at least since the 1920s

Trivia cleanup

Thanks to the anonymous user who cleaned up the trivia/pop culture section. I would like to see the following changes, if nobody objects:

• A flaming version was referenced in the 2006 movie, The Pink Panther, when it was first being consumed in a casino by 006, in parody of the aforementioned James Bond movie.

I am attempting to improve the Flaming beverage article and planned to add more information about flaming mojitos. This ties in well with the prior bit of information and provides reference to the flaming version. It would be helpful to keep it.

• In the 2006 film, Miami Vice, Isabella takes Sonny Crockett to a Havana bar that is well known for serving mojitos, after Sonny tells her he's a "fiend for mojitos".

I'd remove this one. The original TV series was very notable, but the follow-up movie was quite the opposite.

• Mojitos are referenced on a regular basis in the TV Series CSI:Miami

The CSI Miami reference would be a better one (I think) to replace the Miami Vice one (and they are even both in Miami, how about that) :-)

--Willscrlt 00:00, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Wasn't the drink in Thank You for Smoking a Mint Julep, not a Mojito? It was always shown in a metal mint julep glass. And that does fit in better with the Southern US place-setting.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.160.9.118 (talk • contribs) January 16, 2007

A recurring reference to The Family Guy appears. It was removed earlier as one of the non-notable references. The most recent re-addition states that the dog drinks "one or more", which is rather non-encyclopedic. I am aware of this television cartoon, but have no clue as to how notable the show is or not, how notable the dog is on the show (or even why a dog would be drinking one or more alcoholic beverages--even Snoopy drank root beer) :-) If it's relevant, then lets get some hard numbers behind the statement (so and so drank 3 mojitos in episode "Dog gets drunk", or something like that). Vague references do not help very much. --Willscrlt (Talk·Cntrb) 05:47, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Brian is a major character of Family Guy, and is an integral part of every episode. He often drinks, but rarely mentions what he drinks, but he mentions the Mojito, in this episode, and is seen in other episodes with a green drink that is probably also Mojitos. I had never heard of the drink before I say this episode, and I would guess it is the same for many. Now, it is my favorite drink. My edit: "In the Family Guy episode Brian the Bachelor, the Mojito is mentioned by Brian as not being a gay drink, and he is seen taking a sip of one." should therefore absolutely be a part of this article, as it is more important than most of the other trivia entries. Either that or some of the more vague ones of the other trivia should be removed. Here is his exact quote from the show: "I didn't know there was going to be an open bar. And the guy really knew his stuff! He made me a mojito. I don't think it's a gay drink. Mo-ji-to..." [1] He pronounces the last Mojito with a Spanish accent. 193.157.239.191 22:53, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

I can confirm Brian's big part of the series, and I agree with the aforementioned notion.Salem4 14:24, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

People are getting ahead of themselves. The idea behind listing the pop culture references are something people can recognize. The word "mojito" is spoken once in the entire history of the Family Guy show, that's far from notable. You might as well add a Family Guy pop culture reference to every food, soda, or company on wikipedia mentioned on the show. The Shop Girl reference is definitely not notable. Shop Girl was an obscure movie panned by critics that grossed $229,000 its opening week (compared to $25 million the first week for Miami Vice and $5 million for Havana Nights). So relatively speaking, nobody watched Shop Girl, its simply not notable. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 74.230.195.228 (talk) 08:23, 13 February 2007 (UTC).

If you are a regular watcher of FAMILY GUY, you know that even one passing reference to something can be a major joke in the episode and series a s a whole. Because of the "character" of the show, there are a lot of single references to pop-culture topics that probably ANY serious fan of the show would understand if you repeated in their presence. I can guarantee you that any serious fan of the show repeats the word "mo-JI-to" either in their head or out loud, with the same inflection that Brian did in that one episode whenever the drink is mentioned in their presence. Therefore, it definitely warrants a pop culture reference here.

Thus is the genius of the show.

Relunctantly agree. Shopgirl made less than $20 million in US cinemas and shouldn't be considered notable. Also deletely Havana Nights which also made less than $20 million. Duggy 1138 19:07, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Regardless of how well something did, unless the mojito was some kind of central memorable piece of a movie, some guy ordering one at a bar once during a 2 hour movie isn't exactly information that requires recording in an encyclopedia.--Crossmr 06:43, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Unless anyone objects, I think that we should completely remove the pop culture section and add the Hemingway reference to the main area of the article. The pop culture area is too subjective, but its inarguable that Hemingway was known for Mojitos. Miami Vice is notable mostly because Bacardi used the film to help promote mojitos made from Bacardi. I'm going to rearrange things, if anyone doesn't agree, please add to the discussion. 74.230.195.254 16:42, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

I'd support this. There's a lot of pages where the "trivia" or "in pop culture" sections are out of control. No reason for this to be one of them. Travisl 16:46, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Speaking as a reader, not a wiki editor, I came here looking for modern cultural context and found zilch. Is the mojito considered girly or gay or macho? Is it a considered a classic, sophisticated cocktail or a fun one? If there aren't any books or essays to cite on this topic, then notes about Hemingway and Family Guy would at least help convey the cultural context quasi-objectively. I vote against the "less is more" approach to trivia. More is more! 69.255.0.90 (talk) 21:24, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

The Hemingway reference is still there, and I wouldn't object to adding one or two other pop culture references in the text. What I object to is the long list of every time the drink appeared in some TV episode. If you think the article needs a sentence about Family Guy, be bold and add it. But please don't start a list. Rees11 (talk) 11:57, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

Here's a trivia item that may be of interest. (Maybe not.) If you delete the spearmint and use still water instead of carbonated, you have.... navy grog. The classic British grog recipe was 1 part rum, 3 parts water, lime juice, and sugar. The rum was an incentive to get the sailors to drink the lime juice which prevented scurvy aboard ship. Does anyone think that is interesting enough to add? Too trivial or irrelevant? Thanks. --Newell Post 21:58, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

> Hearing no objections, I'm going to add this. --Newell Post 17:47, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

I would like to add this link to the external links, Write-up on the Mojito - Thinkingbartender.com Thinking bartender George 13:53, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Method

When I did my cocktail course, it was stressed that the sugar and lime eighths be put in the glass first. The limes are then stamped with a pestle so as to scratch the skin surface of the limes thus releasing the essential oils (as with Caipirinha). For this reason, the sugar should always be white granulated or demarara). TinyMark 13:52, 18 August 2007 (UTC) It sounds like your describing how to muddle mint, not lime Hemingway. And that is not the correct way to make a ciapirhnia, i was taught how to make one by a cacacha resident of 14 years, pretty sure im right. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1:C6E1:BDC1:A87F:C0E0:E4D:CAC (talk) 14:11, 2 October 2018 (UTC)

>>> sugar should be white or simple syrup. - rsakimoto —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.96.38.195 (talk) 10:30, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Can I add in a measure of creme de menthe to the mix? Would it still be considered a Mojito? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.48.216.146 (talk) 07:40, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Spam

Have removed the commercial links, which all appear to be spam. Socrates2008 02:08, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Lemon vs Lime Juice

The IBA infobox contains a recipe from the IBA website that uses lemon juice [2]. While this might not be "traditional", the infobox is for an IBA recipe. The traditional recipe in the text of the article does not mention lemon juice.Socrates2008 23:10, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

The recipe is incorrect in numerous ways, there is already a link to the wikibooks recipe, and thus unecessary. 74.230.210.104 11:17, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Mint

Mint is not optional. I will fix that.

The reference doesn't specify spearmint, and in fact that's incorrect. The Cubans use (surprise) Cuban mint, mentha nemorosa. In the US that's hard to find so many people use mentha spicata (spearmint). As the reference doesn't say, I'll just remove the species. Rees11 15:16, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Link spam again

I removed the latest set of external links. The first was already listed in the references, the second was blatantly commercial without providing any new information, and the last wasn't even about Mojito at all (it's about "non-alcoholic mojitos").

Someone reverted my removal, so this is obviously controversial. I would welcome discussion here and will go along with the consensus. Rees11 (talk) 16:39, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Ice?

I know the IBA doesn't say to add ice, but surely only a madman would serve a mojito warm! Rees11 (talk) 20:36, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Mojito comes with ice cubes rather than with crushed or shaved ice. It's preferred to use as little ice has the condition allow to use so that the drink would not become warm. Mojito cocktail is clear and from well made cocktail you should be able to see through the glass.

Bacardi photo

Hello, I've seen that a photo has been included to this article but it seems to be an advertisement for Bacardi. If a am right, there is already a cocktail called Bacardi Mojito. Could we place an other photo? Amagon Rosh (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 15:49, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Rum

Isn't it annoying that there is no WPMIXInfobox distinction between rums? I note that the recipe specifies "white rum", but according to the rum page, there is a grade of rum called "light rums" which include white and silver. Since these are all good for the base of cocktails (according to that page) would it not be appropriate to change the recipe to ask for 'light', rather than 'white' rum? Steve Marvell (talk) 14:29, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

"Light," "silver," and "white" rums are all the same thing. "White" is the original term, translated from the Spanish "blanco." "Silver" is a marketing invention. "Light" seems to be an Americanism. "White" seems to be universally used, so I would prefer it here.

Of course it's actually far more complicated than this. A Jamaican white is very different from a Puerto Rican white. And in some places, like Cuba, there really is a "silver" that's different from "white." Other places, like DR, "light" seems to be dark that's been filtered. Some would say that a proper mojito can only be made from a Cuban white, while arguing whether Bacardi is a Cuban rum or not. Others would say a mojito doesn't even have to have rum in it at all, it can be made with vodka. All of this is a bit much to explain in an info box. I would vote to retain "white." Rees11 (talk) 13:35, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

>>> i go for "white" rum. better meaning of light rum. - rsakimoto —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.96.38.195 (talk) 10:32, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

IBA

If this is an IBA drink why doesn't it use the IBA box like for example, caipirinha? Comradeash (talk) 16:50, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Variations

Both of you, please beware the Three Revert Rule.

I'm not fond of the "Variations" section. At least we finally got rid of the "Trivia" section, which was 100 times worse.

One problem with a "Variations" section is it's nearly impossible to maintain. It's never going to have every variation. How do you decide which to include? For something like a Manhattan it's reasonable to note that not everyone includes the bitters. But Mojito is becoming something like Martini, where common usage has gradually broadened to include almost any alcoholic drink, so pretty soon we're going to have things like the "gin and tonic" mojito or the "bourbon and vermouth" mojito. Do we really want to include those? How about the "my uncle once put a dash of pineapple juice in one" variations?

I vote against the "Variations" section but I'm not going to argue strenuously about it. Rees11 (talk) 21:45, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Unfortunately, what defines a cocktail is not cut and dry. Even the Martini has not always been what it is today, and there is simply no agreement on what constitutes the perfect mixture for any given cocktail, although the IBA standard drinks are usually a solid candle to pour against. Any popular cocktail will immediately spawn any number of proprietary variations, but it's easy to apply common sense to what is and isn't a variation on a cocktail. Generally each cocktail will have some defining features that are well recognized, and adding or changing one or two ingredients usually falls into an acceptable variation.

Variations often become more popular than the original drink. Take, for example, the frozen margarita, the peach bellini, and the porn star shooter. These are all drinks that were invented in one form and eventually ended up in a much more popular variation. You can't simply ignore them in terms of encyclopedic content - a very high percentage of people will be looking for information on the frozen margarita when they type in "margarita". And yet, frozen margarita hardly deserves a separate article, as it is only one step away from the original concoction.

If the anon user, whose only contributions seem to be going through and deleting spam links, objects to the external references used in the variation section, that is fine, they are welcome to research better references. But the content is certainly not vandalism.Italydiplo (talk) 03:19, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

History section plagiarism

I have removed the new history section, as it was copied verbatim from darksidebar.blogspot.com. Rees11 (talk) 22:03, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

History Section not Plagiarized

I believe that the blogger was the one who committed plagiarism. The copy I added came directly from Bacardi. I also cited the company website. I will repost.

But that's worse. Content from the Bacardi web site is copyright by Bacardi and can't be reprinted here without permission. I will remove it. Rees11 (talk) 02:17, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

I apologize for not making myself clearer earlier. I added that section at their request, so of course I had permission to use their copy. Not sure what protocol is here to verify that what I am saying is actually true, so let me know. --Oushki (talk) 14:20, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

If you didn't write that text, you can't just paste it in here as if you did, even if you have permission to do so. You would have to put it in as a quote and cite the source. See WP:C for details. Rees11 (talk) 02:59, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

I did site the source, it was the Bacardi Corporate Website, as requested by them. I will look into this further and see if there's anything I missed. Thanks! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Oushki (talk • contribs) 15:23, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

The ref you gave was to the main Bacardi web site. That page does not contain the quote. You didn't make it clear that it's a quote, or say who wrote it.

That's not the only problem. In general, the subject of an article is not allowed to edit the article, even by proxy. And corporate histories are not considered good source material. Rees11 (talk) 20:30, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

I have reposted, this time citing the correct website and block quoting the whole section. The History is not brand centric at all and does not discuss Bacardi corporate history, but since they are the source I included their copyright in the citation (there is no author on record for this copy so the brand is considered the author). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Oushki (talk • contribs) 16:55, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

You still didn't attribute the quote. I fixed that. I still have my doubts that Bacardi has given permission to license this under GFDL but I'll assume good faith, and assume that you've read and understand Wikipedia:Requesting copyright permission. I also still don't think it's suitable to include this entire quote. Rees11 (talk) 17:16, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your guidance and good faith. I did read the copyright permissions section and attempted to cite and quote the copy to the best of my understanding of Wikipedia's guides - again, thanks for fixing that. I could forward you the correspondence w them and my company info, I would just prefer not to do so on here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Oushki (talk • contribs) 18:11, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Any ideas as to why the section was removed again? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Oushki (talk • contribs) 21:11, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Yerba buena

I'm a bit uncomfortable listing yerba buena as an ingredient, because it's an imprecise term and isn't even a mint in common usage in the US (see yerba buena). For now I've fixed the link so it goes to the section of the yerba buena article that talks about mint. It seems to me the simplest thing would be to change this back to "mint." If we're going to leave it at "yerba buena" it almost seems like we need a paragraph about how the word has different meanings in the US and Cuba, and how the Cuban version is intended, but that seems like too much for this article. And it's going to be hard to find sources. Besides which, the two sources listed actually call for "mint," not "yerba buena." Rees11 (talk) 13:08, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Vodka?!

As of my posting this to the discussion page, the first sentence of the article reads as follows:

"A mojito is traditionally made of six ingredients: white rum or vodka, sugar (traditionally sugar cane juice), lime, sparkling water, ice, and mint."

WRONG! A mojito is not traditionally made with vodka. Ever! Of course, bartenders and consumers around the world are free to (and do) make whatever variations they want, but the traditional Cuban recipe NEVER uses vodka. Besides, I've never seen a vodka variant of the mojito anywhere, neither in Cuba nor in the U.S., and I've drank a lot of them in both countries.

Please, please, please remove vodka from the opening sentence. At most, vodka is just a casual variant that expiremntal drinkers (or vodka-lovers) might use in place of light rum. In the authentic Cuban recipe, it's always light rum. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.245.75.194 (talk) 20:21, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Family guy reference

The drink was reffed on "Family Guy", should this be mentioned?--Martin Hal-fead (talk) 19:18, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

I don't think at all so. Given the popularity of the drink, it must have been mentioned in thousands of places, and I don't see how Family Guy is that special. JIP | Talk 18:52, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

Assessment comment

The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Mojito/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.

The article on mojito has: "A mojito is traditionally made of eight ingredients: white rum or vodka, sugar (traditionally sugar cane juice), lime, sparkling water, ice, and mint, mushroom, cabbage and urine." I'm pretty sure the last three are not correct. Gicamp67 (talk) 21:57, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Last edited at 21:57, 11 September 2009 (UTC). Substituted at 00:18, 30 April 2016 (UTC)

Origin of the word "mojito"

I grew up Cuban and always heard it was derived from the word "mojo" meaning "soul." Should this be included as an additional possible word origin? A quick web search turns up some other sources agreeing with this.Joecab (talk) 21:30, 20 December 2016 (UTC)

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Angostura bitters in mojito

I added a citation needed remark to the use of Angostura bitters in a mojito in Havana, Cuba and it was reverted without explanation. I've done some research and the only reference I can find online is some random comments on recipe websites making this claim: never an actual trusted source. The citation at the end of the sentence has no mention of any bitters. Even the "10 mojito variations" article has no mention of Angostura. It also doesn't pass the sniff test for a cocktail that is known for its clarity. Can we either provide a citation or remove this portion of the variations section? Brandonharrisoncode (talk) 23:03, 8 January 2020 (UTC)

Senseless sentence

The second sentence in the History section; "It was known that the local South American Indians had remedies for various tropical illnesses, so a small boarding party went ashore on Cuba and came back with ingredients for an effective medicine" is absolutely senseless. Even taking into account the preceding and following sentences it still is just an extra-long dangling participle. South American Indians living in Cuba? WHAT illnesses? A party went ashore from where? And a "boarding party" is a group BOARDING a boat not going ashore. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1702:1D90:B480:5C03:E94C:4448:2F42 (talk) 06:04, 13 April 2020 (UTC)