Talk:Mike Jackson (right-handed pitcher)

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There does not need to be a picture of José Mesa on the article.216.206.219.21 (talk) 13:52, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

I have removed the photo. I don't see why it was added in the first place. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.18.92.5 (talk) 15:42, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Article name

Any reason why the article is not called Michael Ray Jackson ? Jim Sweeney (talk)

GA Review

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Reviewer: Wizardman _{Operation Big Bear} 20:18, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

I'll review this article shortly. Wizardman _{Operation Big Bear} 20:18, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

Here are the issues I found:

• Baseball Almanac's not considered a reliable source. luckily that ref can just be replaced by something from B-R.

Replaced.

• Can we have a page number on the Yankee encyclopedia reference?

Page added.

• "was a professional baseball player " is a former; was is used when someone's dead, which he's not.

Fixed.

• Anything else on his early life? For example, i presume he played baseball in both, did he play other sports, and is there any further information on his college career? I know this and other expansion requests will be difficult due to his very common name (that's why i stick with the less common ones myself), but it's worth at least trying.

Went three pages deep on a "Mike Jackson Hill College -Michael Jackson", one page on "Mike Jackson Forest Brook -Michael Jackson", and three on "Mike Jackson MLB pitcher -Michael Jackson" Google News searches. I tried a search on Hill College's website, which yielded this page, which is incorrect and only states Jackson was drafted by Cleveland. I tried a Google search "mike jackson baseball early life -Michael Jackson" but couldn't find anything. Maybe when he dies more information will surface.

• "Jackson was again drafted by the Phillies," which round, since you have the previous year's round listed?

Added

• Noting what level the Suns play at may be useful since it's a redlink. Creating the article would be nice as well but that's obviously not a requirement.

Single-A, added.

• "In 1988 and '89," write out 1989

Done.

• "The 1994 MLB season was shortened to 115 games for the Giants, where Jackson contributed to the their 55–60 record while recording a team-best 1.49 ERA[17] although his season was cut short due to tendinitis in his right elbow, leading to two stints on the disabled list." this could do with rewording and a sentence split. How many games did jackson play? were the two stints on the fl rather close to each other or several months apart? Not sure if the Giants' record helps the article much here as well.

Removed Giants' record, added injury dates, added games played.

• Were there any discussions from other teams on acquiring him for 2005, or did he end up just retiring after his White Sox tenure?

Can't find any sources. this MLB.com ref says he had minor-league offers for the 2003 season, so he probably had minor-league offers, but there's no source.

• You've probably done this, but to double-check, the prose feels a bit light, just glossing over statistical information in spots. Is there any more out there for some seasons that are only one or two sentences? adding in "mike jackson" "seattle mariners" (or whichever team) to google archive search for various years may help find some info, since a few teams, namely the mariners and giants (the other teams are fine as is), feel only glanced over.

Added some stats to both.

• Any personal life info aside from the bit already in the article? Again, may be tough to find, but I always ask this just to be sure.

Added a sentence.

I'll put the article on hold, and once the concerns are addressed I'll give it a re-read. It's not too bad right now, and with some work it can be a GA soon enough. Wizardman _{Operation Big Bear} 02:56, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

All comments addressed. Albacore (talk) 02:46, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

Looks good; I'll go another read-through tomorrow to see if there's anything else. Wizardman _{Operation Big Bear} 03:07, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

My apologies for the delay in getting to this; went through a sweep of every baseball bio to make sure it was project tagged, which took up both my time and sanity. Anyway, here's the rest of the review:

• For the lead, I'd end the first para at the games pitched spot and make the second paragraph a chronological summary, modifying what's already in the lead.
• For the Phillies section, and most of them for that matter, you can toss a few he's in to replace a couple Jackson's to avoid repetition.
• "In his last Major League year," reword to "In his last professional season," sounds crisper that way.

Once these fixes are made I'll pass the article. Wizardman _{Operation Big Bear} 02:51, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

All fixed with these edits. Albacore (talk) 03:03, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

Looks good. Everything else checks out so I'll pass this as a GA. Wizardman _{Operation Big Bear} 16:05, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

GA Reassessment

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• The MLB.com link is missing its "Bio" function and has for a long time. This references has cited the MLB.com bio eight times. This needs replacing as large swaths of the page are now unreferenced with the dead link.

• The lead fails 1(b) of the Wikipedia:Good article criteria because it doesn't adequately summarize the body of the article. The lead skips over the "Early life" and "Personal life" sections, and doesn't adequately talk about his college career or his high school career.

• The prose of the article moreover fails WP:WIAGA 3 because the prose isn't broad in its overview of the topic. It just lists stats and salary information a lot of the time in sections, such as the "Cincinnati Reds (1995)" section and the "Seattle Mariners (1996)" section. I found these articles on a quick Google search, and they should be included: What he's doing now, and here, include quotes about the playoffs with the Indians from here. Here's a mention that he doesn't like the music of Michael Jackson.

• He represented the team at the 2017 MLB Draft, should be added to personal life section.
  • Done Hog Farm (talk) 22:36, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

• No mention of how he struck out the last batter in the 1998 ALDS here.

• No mention of how the single-A Spartanburg Suns team finished in 1984, or how his stats compare to others on the team.

• No mention of the pitches he threw during his career

• He took a no-hitter into the ninth against the Expos during his time as a Philly

• Found a reference outside MLB.com for him having a wife Tammy and a child 1 as of 1992

• More context about the 2000 Phillies being bad should be added.

• Probably need a disambiguation link with to at least Mike Jackson (left-handed pitcher).

• snippit preview calling him "one of the best set-up men in baseball" during his time with the Giants. Feel like this quote should be added to the lead too.

• There's something here about him no-hitting the Expos for his first MLB victory. Maybe find other sources based on that.

• The 1994 MLB season was Shortened to 115 games for the Giants unsure why "shortened" is capitalized
  • Fixed Hog Farm (talk) 20:05, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

• References 2 and 3 and 25 need capitalization fixes in their titles.
  • Fixed Hog Farm (talk) 22:36, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

• Jackson became the Indians' primary closer in 1998, definitely needs a citation outside Baseball Reference

• The Mariners did not resign Jackson should be re-sign, I believe.
  • Fixed Hog Farm (talk) 20:05, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

• Unlike the previous year where he started all 14 games he pitched, no citation for this
  • There is one - Ref 4, which is at the end of the sentence. The team pitching stats show Jackson appeared in 14 games and started all of them.

• Double-A and Triple-A are linked but Single-A is not? Also Double-A and Triple-A are capitalized but Single-A is not?

Overall mostly because of the lead and because of broadness I don't think this article meets the GA standards. Nominating for demotion. Therapyisgood (talk) 19:40, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

Some of this is easy fixes, some of it more difficult, I'd say this is definitely fixable if people keep working on it, but as it stands, it does need some work. Hog Farm (talk) 20:05, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

No further work on this after well over a month, so I'm delisting. Therapyisgood (talk) 16:55, 9 June 2020 (UTC)