Talk:Michael Tippett

Latest comment: 6 months ago by SchroCat in topic Question
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Two Sheds

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A TV interview with Tippet where the interviewer seemed more interested in in Tippet's garden furniture that his music, is supposed to be the inspiration for the Monty Python sketch about Arthur "two sheds" Jackson. Worth a mention? 12.201.7.201 (talk) 03:37, 21 August 2017 (UTC)Reply

By all means mention it in our article on the Monty Python sketch, if we have one, and assuming you have the appropriate sources. I don't think it would be relevant in the article on Tippett though, unless Tippett himself was somehow involved in the sketch. --Deskford (talk) 07:26, 21 August 2017 (UTC)Reply

Timing of American influences

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The lead says: "New influences, including those of jazz and blues after his first visit to America in 1965, became increasingly evident in his compositions." The "blues" note in the opening melody of the middle movement of Concerto for Double String Orchestra" (1937–38) is clearly American in origin. Tony (talk) 08:09, 29 September 2022 (UTC)Reply

Could you perhaps provide a WP:RS for that claim? The analysis by Kenneth Gloag in The Cambridge Companion to Michael Tippett (2013, pp. 169−176) makes no mention of American influence, or blues, in the concerto, and neither does David Clarke in his chapter on "Tonal strategies, folksong and Englishness in Tippett’s Concerto for Double String Orchestra" in Tippett Studies (1999, pp. 1−26). Tim riley talk 08:51, 29 September 2022 (UTC)Reply
Have you heard it? Tony (talk) 11:47, 2 October 2022 (UTC)Reply
I have two recordings of it on my shelves, and played one of them (Andrew Davis/BBCSO) to refresh my memory after reading your first comment. I think I can hear what you are referring to, though I'd say that "clearly" is an overstatement, but what you think you hear (and what I think I hear, for that matter) is of no interest to Wikipedia, whereas if you have a WP:RS to quote in support of your take on the music there is no reason at all why you should not do so. Tim riley talk 12:53, 2 October 2022 (UTC)Reply

Question

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@Tim riley:

Can you please explain how this is "irrelevant and badly cited"? Nirva20 (talk) 17:55, 20 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

It's certainly irrelevant; the extraneous details are too much. I'm also not sure why the punctuation was changed so much; it was not necessary, and introducing an inconsistent form into an FA wasn't a good step. - SchroCat (talk) 18:01, 20 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
I disagree. Supporting Irish Home Rule (upper case lettering) was not the same as supporting Sinn Fein, which by all accounts she later did despite her pacifism (that inconsistency led me to not include pacifism). I don't even understand what "introducing an inconsistent form into an FA" means. Could you explain? Thanks. Nirva20 (talk) 18:07, 20 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
Also, the lede in Despard's own article refers to her as "an Anglo-Irish suffragist, socialist, pacifist, Sinn Féin activist, and novelist." Nirva20 (talk) 18:09, 20 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
The article has a consistent form of comma use (for example): your edit changed it and it was inconsistent. That is what I meant and it was a good step to revert that part.
Given this is an article about Tippett, rather than Despard, the extra detail is unnecessary here. - SchroCat (talk) 18:39, 20 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
Edit conflict - my apologies
  • What conceivable relevance to Tippett's article is it that one of his mother's cousins was Anglo-Irish?
  • What conceivable relevance to Tippett's article is it that one of his mother's cousins was an RC convert?
  • What conceivable relevance to Tippett's article is it that one of his mother's cousins supported the Sinn Fein party?
  • The Women's History Review has incomplete bibliographic detail.
  • The reference to the open ac site does not comply with WP:CITEVAR
I hope that clarifies these points. To my regret, and that of many of his admirers, the main author of the article, Brian Boulton, died in 2019, and several of his admirers keep an eye on his 100+ featured articles and strive to maintain them in good order. Tim riley talk 18:13, 20 April 2024 (UTC)Reply