Talk:Medical College & Hospital, Kolkata

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Userbox for Alumni

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To use this userbox:

This user graduated from Medical College and Hospital, Kolkata

add the code: {{Template:User MCK Grad}} to the list of your userboxes. Diptanshu^Talk 14:38, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

Images, Gallery and Commons category

User talk:Dwaipayanc#Calcutta Medical College

They aren't able to find that book.Guru-45 (talk) 12:53, 23 January 2014 (UTC) Exactly.Unavailable in our library.Guru-45 (talk) 18:48, 23 January 2014 (UTC) @Guru-45:Any particular reasons for dropping the gallery section of Medical College and Hospital, Kolkata‎? DiptanshuTalk 11:06, 25 January 2014 (UTC) @Diptanshu.D:Those images could be put in the commons category mentioned at the bottom of the article.Guru-45 (talk) 15:15, 27 January 2014 (UTC) @Diptanshu.D: and @Guru-45:, well, I'd prefer at least some images to be present in the article. Yes, of course those images can be (those probably already are) put in the commons category. However, an average reader usually just surfs through an article, hardly clicks the commons category. So, images immensely increases the value of the article. Now, ideally those images should be incorporated into the body of the article, rather than in a separate gallery section. However, this article is not very well developed, and having a gallery section may be ok.--Dwaipayan (talk) 16:24, 27 January 2014 (UTC) The whole article needs a rewrite,at the very least.Guru-45 (talk) 17:49, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

@Guru-45:You removed the gallery from Medical College and Hospital, Kolkata and added a commons category that does not exist till date and evidently you did not tag the listed images into the yet-non-existent category. By doing this you are compromising information from Wikipedia which is unacceptable. Requesting you to make the necessary changes.

Indeed the article needs a rewrite but referencing them is problematic especially because primary sources are actually involved. Still endeavour is to be encouraged in this regard. Diptanshu^Talk 20:24, 1 February 2014 (UTC)

• Ok, we agree that rewrite is necessary. However, realistically I don't see that happening soon. Primarily because of lack of source, and also perhaps lack of time from our part. FYI, when I wrote majority of the history (back in 2005 or 2006) I did use some internet source, but forgot which source.
• Next, regarding images, as I indicated in my message in my talk page, while having a link to the appropriate commons category is fine, displaying several images is not harmful for the article either. Indeed, having well-placed images increased the reading value manifold. Since this article is not much well developed at present, incorporating images in appropriate sections may be difficult. So, having a gallery for now is acceptable to me.--Dwaipayan (talk) 06:17, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

Sources for the Politics section

@Samujjwal Maiti71: The following sources were used:

1. Student Movement in Indian Sub-continent-Hiren Dasgupta & Harinarayan Adhikari
2. An essay on Student Movement of Sixties-Saibal Mitra
3. পিপলস্ রিলিফ কমিটি দ্যুতিময় ইতিবৃত্ত-পি আর সি
4. স্টুডেন্টস্ হেলথ হোম(প্রথম দশক)-পশুপতিনাথ চট্টোপাধ্যয়,অরুণ সেন মেমোরিয়াল কমিটি
5. 60-70 er Chatra Andolon-Shyamal Chakraborty
6. Reminiscence of Food Movement - 1959, Dr. Jnanabrata Sil

Can you please be more specific as to these sources, what are they and where do they mention the facts? --Muhandes (talk) 12:22, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

I managed to locate #6: Reminiscence of Food Movement - 1959. This seems like a personal recollection. It is published in the chat section without verification of the contributor. At it is a self published source I don't think it is a reliable source. --Muhandes (talk) 12:37, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

@Medicos Bengal: From this comment a link to #1 was provided. I will incorporate it. --Muhandes (talk) 12:48, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

Student Movement in Indian Sub-continent-Hiren Dasgupta & Harinarayan Adhikari--- is it not authentic???!!!!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Samujjwal Maiti71 (talk • contribs) 12:49, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

I never said it isn't authentic. I asked for clarification and Medicos Bengal provided it. Can you clarify what the other sources are? Please lower the flames, I am trying to assist in improving this section, I am not against you. --Muhandes (talk) 12:59, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

In the 1950s, 1960s and 1970s the college became a centre of leftist and then far-left politics.[citation needed] Students politics was highly influenced by 'Naxalbari’ movement in early 1970s.[citation needed]---I did mention the sources.and you can read the history and formation of MCDSA — Preceding unsigned comment added by Samujjwal Maiti71 (talk • contribs) 13:03, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

@Samujjwal Maiti71: Can you please explain what these sources are? As you can see above, one of the sources you provided was not a reliable one. What are these sources, are they books? Can you supply the ISBN please? --Muhandes (talk) 13:09, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

yes ,in now-a-days MCDSA(Medical College Democratic Students Association)is a apolitical organisation.but during the formation,It was highly influenced by Naxalbari movement.It was formed after collapse of BPSF.Dr.Sthabir Dasgupta,Dr.Pallab Kirtania,Dr. Punyabrata Goon were MCDSA activist once and they have clear Naxalite ideology in now-a-days also.Dr. Kirtania acted in the film Atotayee on Naxalite ideology also.and the Chamari Hostel@Bowbazar was very much popular for Naxaite Moveents on those days. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Medicos Bengal (talk • contribs) 13:18, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

Can you supply the ISBN please? ----60-70 er Chatra Andolon by Shyamal Chakraborty-ISBN No 978-81-7626-240-8 and An essay on Student Movement of Sixties(Saater Chhatra Andolon) by Saibal Mitra-ISBN No.81-7990-069-X — Preceding unsigned comment added by Samujjwal Maiti71 (talk • contribs) 13:23, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

Thanks, I will apply this promptly. --Muhandes (talk) 13:27, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

@Samujjwal Maiti71: can you supply more details please? publisher, year etc. I couldn't find these two sources by ISBN. --Muhandes (talk) 13:49, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

Found #5 Chakraborty, Shyamal (2011). 60-70 Er Chatra Andolan (in Bengali). N.B.A Pvt Ltd. ISBN 9788176262408.. Still need a better source for sources 2-4. --Muhandes (talk) 13:54, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

Reminiscence of Food Movement - 1959, Dr. Jnanabrata Sil---Dr.Jnanabrata Sil is still alive.and on those website nobody denied his words.on the other hand,I mentioned that source as It is present in net.History of Medicos of Medical College kolkata and other medical colleges of Kolkata have been clearly written in other books also.actually on 1st August,1959 postmortem of dead bodies were done in Medical Colleges.next day rally started from Kolkata Medical College gate.there were strong participation of medicos and junior doctors in that rally.(as I have learnt from many books on food movement,it has been also mentioned in mony political books also like Banglar Communist Andoloner Itihas Anusandhan by Manisha Granthalaya, Oitihasik Khaddo Andoloner Panchas Bochoretc etc ) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Samujjwal Maiti71 (talk • contribs) 13:57, 2 April 2018 (UTC) I have mentioned three authentic sources on Student Movement in West Bengal.1.60-70 er Chatra Andolon by Shyamal Chakraborty,2.An essay on Student Movement of Sixties(Saater Chhatra Andolon) by Saibal Mitra,3.Student Movement in Indian Sub-continent-Hiren Dasgupta & Harinarayan Adhikari — Preceding unsigned comment added by Samujjwal Maiti71 (talk • contribs) 14:01, 2 April 2018 (UTC) In the 1950s, 1960s and 1970s the college became a centre of leftist and then far-left politics.[10] Students politics was highly influenced by the Naxalbari movement in early 1970s.[11]----you have added the source wrongly.you have added source 10 in place of source 11 and source 11 in place of source 10. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Samujjwal Maiti71 (talk • contribs) 14:06, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

I fixed the two sources.

Regarding Dr. Jnanabrata Sil, I appreciate what you tried to do, but a reliable source is always preferred over a self published one.

You mentioned two new sources, Banglar Communist Andoloner Itihas Anusandhan by Manisha Granthalaya and Oitihasik Khaddo Andoloner Panchas Bochor. What are these sources for? It would really help if you also supply an ISBN and a page number.

Also, we still need ISBN or another citation for পিপলস্ রিলিফ কমিটি দ্যুতিময় ইতিবৃত্ত-পি আর সি and for স্টুডেন্টস্ হেলথ হোম(প্রথম দশক)-পশুপতিনাথ চট্টোপাধ্যয়,অরুণ সেন মেমোরিয়াল কমিটি. --Muhandes (talk) 14:26, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

@Samujjwal Maiti71: you now added two more unclear sources ভারতের ছাত্র আন্দোলনের ইতিহাস, গৌতম চট্টোপাধ্যায় and পিপলস্ রিলিফ কমিটি দ্যুতিময় ইতিবৃত্ত-পি আর সি,Page 11,Article by Dr.Purnendu Jha & Page 42-61,Article by Dr.Naresh Banerjee. Can you please clarify what these are? This is the English Wikipedia, we accept sources in any language with good faith, but we need to know what the source is. Is it a book? A journal article? Where is it from? I believe the above are books. Please let me help you make these sources clearer. --Muhandes (talk) 16:59, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

Dr. Jnanabrata Sil (not verified) (16 September 2010). "Reminiscence of Food Movement - 1959". www.pragoti.in. Archived from the original on 18 March 2015. Retrieved 2 April 2018.----not verified??!!!!!I have verified from Dr.Amitabha Bhattacharya,Dr.Gouripada Datta,Dr.Purnendu Jha...what do you mean by not verified ??and this type of documents are present in documents of students organisations and communist parties.and those documents do not have ISBN no. Mr.Samujjwal Maiti71 has mentioned name of three books---like ভারতের ছাত্র আন্দোলনের ইতিহাস, গৌতম চট্টোপাধ্যায়,পিপলস্ রিলিফ কমিটি দ্যুতিময় ইতিবৃত্ত-পি আর সি,স্টুডেন্টস্ হেলথ হোম(প্রথম দশক)-পশুপতিনাথ চট্টোপাধ্যয়,অরুণ সেন মেমোরিয়াল কমিটি---the author of first book is famous bengali historian Gautam Chattopadhayaya,and 2nd and third book are collections of documents of Peoples Relief Committee(PRC) and Students Health Home ,both of this two oraganisations were apolitical and they have memorable history in public health movement of west bengal...PRC participated in organising camps during 1943 Bengal Famine and during the times of Noakhali Riots(every authentic docuents have been published in that book,with many pictures and photocopies of documents).They are remembering the names of the medicos of Medical College,Kolkata in their documents with respect.there are also the writtings of INA Lady brigade leader Laxmi Saigal,She was also an activist of PRC,West Bengal during Liberation War,1971. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Medicos Bengal (talk • contribs) 17:23, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

@Medicos Bengal: You seem to be missing the point of my questions. I am not questioning the facts. I am not questioning the sources. I am trying to improve the way the sources are cited.

Regarding the "not verified", this is what the source says. Anyway, I removed it. (hint: one question mark suffices, "??!!!!!" does not make an argument stronger. Assume good faith)

As for the other sources, ISBN is not mandatory. Can you supply the title, translated title in English, author, publisher and year of publication for each source? I don't speak Bengali so I cannot tell. --Muhandes (talk) 17:33, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

ভারতের ছাত্র আন্দোলনের ইতিহাস, গৌতম চট্টোপাধ্যায়--ISBN no of this book might be found.Have to check it. পিপলস্ রিলিফ কমিটি দ্যুতিময় ইতিবৃত্ত-পি আর সি---no english translation has been mentioned in that book.It was published during the celebration of 60 years of People's Relief Committee,West Bengal.and acording to some research scholar,this book is one of the primary source of History of Peoples Relief Committee,West Bengal.

স্টুডেন্টস্ হেলথ হোম(প্রথম দশক)-পশুপতিনাথ চট্টোপাধ্যয়,অরুণ সেন মেমোরিয়াল কমিটি-no english translation mentioned.publish by Pashupati Chattopadhayay,Dr.Arun Sen Memorial Committee. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Medicos Bengal (talk • contribs) 18:01, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

পিপলস্ রিলিফ কমিটি দ্যুতিময় ইতিবৃত্ত-পি আর সি স্টুডেন্টস্ হেলথ হোম(প্রথম দশক)-পশুপতিনাথ চট্টোপাধ্যয়,অরুণ সেন মেমোরিয়াল কমিটি,no english translation of title, mentioned in these two books.so,I have used the original name as the source.1st book was published in the year 2003.and the second book in 2001. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Samujjwal Maiti71 (talk • contribs) 18:17, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

@Medicos Bengal: @Samujjwal Maiti71: (you are two persons I assume) I guess I wasn't clear. Can you translate the titles for me? You do speak the language I hope. --Muhandes (talk) 20:41, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

পিপলস্ রিলিফ কমিটি দ্যুতিময় ইতিবৃত্ত-পি আর সি(People's Relief Committee:A Glowing Account-PRC) স্টুডেন্টস্ হেলথ হোম(প্রথম দশক)-পশুপতিনাথ চট্টোপাধ্যয়,অরুণ সেন মেমোরিয়াল কমিটি[Student's Health Home(The First Decade)-Pashupatinath Chattopadhaya,Arun Sen Memorial Committee) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Medicos Bengal (talk • contribs) 15:09, 6 April 2018 (UTC)

@Medicos Bengal: @Samujjwal Maiti71: Thanks for your assistance. I would appreciate it if you have a look at the citations and make sure I didn't err. Also, some of the books may still need the year of publication, publisher, and any other details you can supply. This will help any reader who wishes to find these books. Most importantly, the page numbers are needed. If the entire book is the source, feel free to remove the "pages needed" template, with a proper edit summary. --Muhandes (talk) 19:24, 7 April 2018 (UTC)

list of principals

This unsourced list of non-notable people is better suited for a list article; unsuitable for main article. See WP:NOTDIR / WP:IINFO.

Principals

• MJ Bramley, 1835–1837
• David Hare, 1837–1841
• FJ Mouat, 1841–1851
• E Goodeve, 1851–1856
• WCB Eatwell, 1857–1859
• Normal Chevers, 1861–1873
• DB Smith, 1874–1880
• JM Coates, 1880–1890
• EA Birch, 1890–1893
• G Bomford, 1893–1905
• CP Lukis, 1905–1909
• FJ Drury, 1910–1912
• JT Calvert, 1912–1919
• BH Deare, 1919–1922
• AF Barnardo, 1922–1928
• AD Stewart, 1928–1930
• DP Goil, 1930–1932
• T Crawford Boyd, 1932–1939
• J.C.De, 1939–1941
• UP Basu, 1941–1945
• R Linton, 1945–1947
• AC Ukil, 1947–1948
• DC Chakraborty, 1948–1953
• MN Sarkar, 1953–1957
• SC Bose, 1957–1960
• KC Sarbadhikary, 1960–1968
• AK Duttagupta, 1968–1969
• Debabrata Raymahasay, 1969–1973
• BK Chakraborty, 1973–1977
• JB Mukherjee, 1977–1984
• RN Roy, 1984–1985
• KK Bhattacharya, 1985–1986
• AK Chandra, 1986–1987
• SK Biswas, 1988
• S Chowdhury, 1989–1991
• PB Pathak, 1991–1998
• SK Basu, 1998–2001
• SN Banerjee, 2001–2002
• Jayasree Mitra (Ghosh), 2002–2005
• Indrajit Ray, 2005–2009
• Utpal K Datta, 2009–2013
• TK Lahiri, 2013-2018
• Uchhal K Bhadra, 2018-2019
• Manjushree Ray, 2019–Present

GreaterPonce665 ^(TALK) 02:58, 14 July 2020 (UTC)

list of principals

I have gathered all the list of respected principals from our glorious college. The recent edit that GreaterPonce665 have made in Medical College Kolkata is disruptive. He is neither familiar with our college history. This is a heritage institution established by British in 1835, the first medical college in Asia with numerous significant people as Principals such as David Here and many others. Do not attempt to remove the legacy of those people in medical education in our college. Its not his domain.Hope everyone will understand the significance of principals column. If GreaterPonce665 has personal grudge on someone in the list of principal he might settle the matter personally. Its unethical to remove the history.I am bringing that back and I seek attention of Diannaa on this matter. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Civilguy1997 (talk • contribs) 04:52, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

I agree with Civilguy1997 there is nothing wrong with a list of the College's Principals. These are noteworthy people in the history of the College. I came to this page to see information on the College and was disappointed to see the article mainly concerned with politics and not medicine. I feel the list of Principals is noteworthy and would hope the article could be made more to look like the article on Calcutta National Medical College where the information is relevant to medicine and education at the college.

It is also confusing because the College website states the Principal is Manjushree Ray but her Facebook page says she left in 2018. This article https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/kolkata/med-college-principal-transferred/articleshow/77228304.cms stated the new Principal was Manju Banerjee and Google produces nothing for Manju Bandyopadhyay Andrew ranfurly (talk) 12:37, 4 October 2020 (UTC)