Talk:Martin Luther

Latest comment: 1 month ago by Hob Gadling in topic "Totalism" is influenced?
Former good articleMartin Luther was one of the Philosophy and religion good articles, but it has been removed from the list. There are suggestions below for improving the article to meet the good article criteria. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.
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Semi Protected Edit Request Sep. 11 2023

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the beginning of the article says "despite the fact that Luther did not advocate the murdering of Jews", however, later in the article, it goes on to say "In Robert Michael's view, Luther's words 'We are at fault in not slaying them' amounted to a sanction for murder. 'God's anger with them is so intense,' Luther concluded, 'that gentle mercy will only tend to make them worse, while sharp mercy will reform them but little. Therefore, in any case, away with them!'." is this not advocating for murder in at least some sense? in any case, the addition of "did not *directly* advocate the murdering of Jews" would clear this up. Buzgie (talk) 21:06, 11 September 2023 (UTC)Reply

  Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit semi-protected}} template. This doesn't feel like the type of non-controversial change that should be made via an edit request without discussion first. PianoDan (talk) 18:19, 14 September 2023 (UTC)Reply

AGREE — Luther's words unambiguously advocated murdering Jews.
Peter Brown (talk) 21:05, 8 December 2023 (UTC)Reply
AGREE
Luther unambiguously advocating the killing of Jews. This is not a matter of dispute within scholarship, and Luther's very works that are sourced within this article confirm this.
This article demonstrates with sources already that Lutheran unambiguously advocating the killing of Jews. This is not a matter of dispute within scholarship, and Luther's very works that are sourced within this article confirm this. Ysys9 (talk) 11:54, 10 December 2023 (UTC)Reply
This is an unambiguous call for murdering Jews. It is tendentious nonsense - or illiteracy - to say otherwise. The beginning of the article is utter nonsense in disputing this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.151.17.68 (talk) 15:32, 19 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

added "directly" as per the above consensus. self-disclosure: I'm a Lutheran pastor Bastique ☎ call me! 15:05, 7 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

Semi-protected edit request on 15 June 2024

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Changes to be made in the style of the source code:

Change "==University of Wittenberg==" into "===University of Wittenberg==="

Add "==Ministry and Later Years==" to the line before the one referenced in the previous suggestion. Reformat if needed. RetroOortus (talk) 19:36, 15 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

Clarification:
Change heading "University of Wittenberg" to a subheading and in its place, put "Ministry and Later Years" RetroOortus (talk) 19:40, 15 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
  Already done Unless I am mistaken, this has been done. Geardona (talk to me?) 00:39, 30 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

"some historians contend" to "historians contend"

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Most historians contend that Luther's work contributed to the antisemitism rampant in early 20th Century Germany and the rise of the Nazi Party. "Some historians contend" implies this is a minority opinion. The only thing that they seem to disagree on is whether his antisemitic works were taken seriously in the intervening years. This sentence deserves some clarification. Bastique ☎ call me! 15:12, 7 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

"Totalism" is influenced?

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I see that Luther's of influence in Nazi mentioned in the page. But it's there something in all totalitarian Luther's attitudes. Including in communists and Americans who create some perfect idealism book making every person good. FairfieldAve (talk) 04:24, 27 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

You will need WP:RS to add that. --Hob Gadling (talk) 20:44, 9 November 2024 (UTC)Reply