Talk:Maria Wilhelmine von Thun und Hohenstein

Orsini-Rosenberg

For the correct sequence of names see: Orsini-Rosenberg

Abbreviations

Hello, I'm very glad to see this article being provided with reference sources. But I suspect most Wikipedia readers would not know what the abbreviations A-Wstm and As mean (I don't, and Google is no avail). Could they please be spelled out on first appearance? Thanks, Opus33 (talk) 16:45, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Most Wikipedia readers also don't know that references without page numbers are worthless, because they open the door to total arbitrariness. Keefe's article (like most of his others) is fraught with mistakes, Braunbehrens is unreliable and most of the occurrences you describe are directly verifiable anyway either by the Köchel catalogue or Mozart's letters - which you seem never to have read in their entirety. And try to get acquainted with the sigla of RISM.--Suessmayr (talk) 06:31, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

This reply indicates zero interest in the goal of helping WP readers. Opus33 (talk) 16:14, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

The Thun article in Clive's book is based on two flawed articles by Preihs (1943) and Orel (1954) that contain countless wrong biographical dates merely copied from Wurzbach. That's what you consider "helping WP readers" ;).--Suessmayr (talk) 17:01, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

The painting

How did you identify Maria Wilhelmine on Lesseur's painting? What about two other ladies? A.J. (talk) 09:16, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Good point. It seems possible that the picture portrays the Countess's three daughters, and not her at all. Pending further information (which seems to be hard to find), I'm taking it down. Opus33 (talk) 21:03, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Dates

Some of the biographical dates are not in accordance with GeneAll.net [1]. Furthermore the primary sources (baptismal registers) in this article violate the Wikipedia rules of sourcing.--62.47.130.119 (talk) 07:02, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

You're absolutely right. So let's dismiss the correct dates based on the primary sources and replace them with the flawed information in the crappy secondary literature!--62.47.131.96 (talk) 08:28, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

Date of Death

The wrong date of death "18 May 1800", copied from Clive's flawed book, means nothing less than that Countess Thun was buried alive. Just hilarious.--Suessmayr (talk) 07:16, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

Hello Suessmayr, I guess by not giving the actual date you're putting up a little puzzle for other editors to solve? I thought I would find the answer on your alter ego's blog, but no luck searching there. As for my books, Simon Keefe in the Cambridge Companion lists the same date as Clive, and searching Abert and Deutsch has been to no avail. So at this point a hint would be appreciated. Yours truly, Opus33 (talk) 21:55, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

P.S. The business about Haydn's wife is quite startling and I'll try to deal with it in a forthcoming edit.

Mozart's 'Linz' SymPhony

It was with the Count and Countess that Mozart stayed on his return from Salzburg to Vienna, which occasioned the Symphony in C, no, 36' the 'Linz' Symphony. No mention in this article.-Wetman (talk) 15:51, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

Hmm ... Take a look here. Heartz says that Mozart stayed at the home of the Count Thun who was Maria Wilhelmine's father-in-law; not clear that she herself was present. Opus33 (talk) 16:30, 10 December 2015 (UTC)