Talk:Mahalia (singer)
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Requested move 3 December 2018
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The result of the move request was: no consensus to move the page to the proposed title at this time, per the discussion below. Dekimasuよ! 01:19, 11 December 2018 (UTC)
Mahalia Burkmar → Mahalia (entertainer) – Since she goes under the mononym "Mahalia", her last name should be removed from the article title and "entertainer" should be used to signify that she is an actor and a singer. JE98 (talk) 05:11, 3 December 2018 (UTC)
- Oppose, move to Mahalia (singer); she doesn't juggle or appear in drag so not an "entertainer" by normal definition, the local Leicester press she's a (singer); and we don't use "entertainer" except for multi-talented singer-actors like Madonna Louise Ciccone to whom mere "(singer)" would be demeaning as she is equally known as an actor.— Preceding unsigned comment added by In ictu oculi (talk • contribs)
- Oppose keep current title. WP:MONONYM states "don't use a first name (even if unambiguous) for an article title if the last name is known and fairly often used". Looking at the references, it appears Mahalia's last name is indeed "fairly often used" so per the guideline, it should be in the article name. MegaSloth (talk) 11:35, 4 December 2018 (UTC)
- Note @User:Kurtstanleyteh has moved this page without warning or explanation from Mahalia Burkmar to Mahalia (singer) during this debate. This seems highly irregular, I will be noting this on Wikipedia Talk:Requested moves MegaSloth (talk) 10:08, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
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Requested move 6 January 2020
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The result of the move request was: closed as move by Captain Medusa. Dekimasuよ! 10:09, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
Mahalia Burkmar → Mahalia (singer) – Per WP:MONONYM (Only if the single name is used as a true artist's name (stage name, pseudonym, etc.) can the recommendations of Nicknames, pen names, stage names, cognomens below be followed), WP:STAGENAME (The name used most often to refer to a person in reliable sources is generally the one that should be used as the article title, even if it is not the person's "real" name), and WP:SINGERDAB (Use "(singer)" when the person solely sings songs or is mostly known for singing songs). The subject of the article has released all of her recordings as Mahalia. Most third-party reliable sources such as BBC, Billboard, Complex, Elle, Fact, The Fader, Grammy Awards, The Guardian, The Independent, MTV, NME, and Vibe call her Mahalia. For similar cases, see Ashanti (singer), Jewel (singer), and Monica (singer). 124.87.171.176 (talk) 10:50, 6 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support per nom. JE98 (talk) 18:12, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
- Support per nom and per WP:CONCISE, and to be WP:CONSISTENT with Kesha, Madonna (entertainer), etc. I don't think the RS occurrence of the longer name is significant enough to actually properly trigger the concerns raised in the previous RM. That is, while various sources do say what her longer name is, they don't regularly use it as the general name of the subject. Similarly, a zillion sources will tell you that Bono's birth name is Paul Hewson, but they don't call him Paul Hewson. There's also an WP:ABOUTSELF and WP:RECOGNIZABLE issue here, in that the subject's releases are all under the mononym, so this case is very distinct from that of, say, Utada Hikaru (whose releases are under that name, under Hikaru Utada, and under the mononym Utada; it's just not WP-sufficient that her fans prefer the mononym). — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 06:29, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
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Wiki Education assignment: Black American Music 209
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