Talk:Magicka

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Magicka was released on Steam. Thought this might be useful to add. 60.228.201.82 (talk) 17:52, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

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Something about the release controversy? i.e. bugs / patches / lack of playability for many users at release? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.26.131.11 (talk) 00:04, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

Language?

I'd like someone to add something about the language the (greater part of) original game is voiced. What is it? Not Swedish and definitely not English. Some kind of fantasy conlang? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.54.148.202 (talk) 14:06, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

Steam

Is Magicka a Steam exclusive game?--Tallungs (talk) 03:40, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

Yes. It's sold by other companies, but it's always on Steam (look for "third party download required" notices). --Tom Edwards (talk) 11:11, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

Infobox genre

The current genre is a mess of promotional originality. Many manufacturers refer to their products in unique ways so as not to pigeonhole them and maintain that they are too unique to classify, but that doesn't mean Wikipedia honors those references as qualifying for actual classification nomenclature.Equazcion ^(talk) 10:33, 19 Mar 2011 (UTC)

PS. Here's mine: http://www.gamespot.com/pc/action/magicka/review.html -- "Fantasy Action Adventure". It may sound "bland", but genres are supposed to be, rather than being unique and colorful descriptions.Equazcion ^(talk) 10:38, 19 Mar 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for discussing this. All three parts of the current genre are established terms that map directly onto and accurately describe Magicka. Word by word:

• Satirical: do you really disagree with this?
• Fantasy: agreed on.
• Shoot-em-up: this I can understand someone querying. But imagine for one moment that instead of wizards with magic staffs, players were astronauts with multifunction guns. The game would be identical, and nobody would think twice about calling it a shoot-em-up. The presence of a machine gun in the game and the upcoming Vietnam war expansion reinforce this choice.

If the resulting phrase is colourful, that's because Magicka is colourful. :-) Meanwhile "action adventure" has always been a term almost completely devoid of meaning, and by Wikipedia's own standard of including "elements of the adventure game genre" is scarcely applicable anyway.

(For the record, the game's official website describes it as action adventure. But as you say, we don't have to go with that...) --Tom Edwards (talk) 13:30, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

"All three parts of the current genre are established terms that map directly onto and accurately describe Magicka"

You're equating "genre" with "description", when that's not what it is. Genre is a classification, a way of grouping things together. Magicka may be "colorful", but genre is not supposed to reflect that, but rather coldly and scientifically shove it into an existing group.

Anyhow, your terminology appears on Steam as promotional wording, at best, while mine appears on a prominent game review site as this game's "genre" tag. Objectively speaking, which would you think is more apt for use on Wikipedia? Your originally synthesized defense for its accuracy notwithstanding, if you have a similar review site whose actual "genre" line reads "satirical fantasy shoot-'em-up", I might be willing to revise my opinion. Equazcion ^(talk) 15:22, 19 Mar 2011 (UTC)

I understand that argument, but consider this: the story is satirical, the theme is fantasy, and the game mechanics are shoot-em-up. Those are three non-overlapping statements, not a synthesis. I'd have happily used "Plot: Satire / Theme: Fantasy / Gameplay: Shoot-em-up" if it wasn't so wordy.

I disagree that we should only use genres that review sites do. Genres are very woolly terms that mean different things to different people (especially action-adventure, as we've seen). The only sensible course is to describe the work, with citations, then to apply the standards set in Wikipedia's own genre articles. Arguably we could also just leave the field blank like film articles do, since genre is one case where simply reading the article equips the reader to make their own judgement.

For completeness however, here are a few sites that call Magicka a Shmup: [1] [2] [3] [4] [5]. Those aren't very prominent though, and I suspect that at least some of them have been influenced by this article. --Tom Edwards (talk) 18:00, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

We do have one reliable prominent site that we know likely hasn't been influenced by this article, and taking bits from multiple sources to justify an amalgamated genre is pretty much the definition of synthesis. Why not simply use the source we agree is reliable, rather than trying to do more with it? Equazcion ^(talk) 18:06, 19 Mar 2011 (UTC)

Changing it to "Fantasy/Action-Adventure" with Gamespot reference in a couple days if there's no answer. Equazcion ^(talk) 13:06, 20 Mar 2011 (UTC)

Done. Equazcion ^(talk) 09:29, 23 Mar 2011 (UTC)

post-mortem

[6] from gamasutra --MASEM (t) 13:38, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

It also references Holy Diver by Dio

When the player gets the weapon "holy diver", the scene is similar to the one in the music video, the blacksmith throws the sword at the main hero. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.104.52.118 (talk) 12:58, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

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