Talk:Louis Malet de Graville

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@Yakikaki: I thank you for not using the anachronistic image the French Wiki uses, but is there something wrong with the one at right? Srnec (talk) 23:58, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

Hey Srnec, there's nothing wrong with it and in fact I'm quite fond of it myself. I opted for the one in the article since Deldicque (who goes on at some length about this) writes that it's the most life-like portrait of him from among the miniatures. But I'm not dogmatic about it. Yakikaki (talk) 07:10, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

GA Review

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This review is transcluded from Talk:Louis Malet de Graville/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Nominator: Yakikaki (talk · contribs) 19:15, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

Reviewer: Kimikel (talk · contribs) 20:02, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Hello, I will be reviewing this article as part of the January GAN drive. Please expect comments from me within the next few days. Kimikel (talk) 20:02, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

@Yakikaki: If I'm honest, this is my favorite type of article: biographies of a somewhat obscure historical figure. As such, I enjoyed this article quite a bit. Please let me know if you have any questions or concerns regarding my suggestions below. Thank you. Kimikel (talk) 15:39, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

@Kimikel: Thanks for the kind words! It seems we share an interest in this kind of articles. I stumbled across Louis during a short vacation in France last year and became increasingly fascinated. So thanks for taking the time to review this little labour of love! I have started adjusting it accordingly and will ping you again once I am done. Have a pleasant Friday! Yakikaki (talk) 16:58, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

@Kimikel: This went a bit faster than I had expected, but I think I addressed all the issues below now. Please take a look at my changes and replies. Yakikaki (talk) 18:54, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

Thank you for your swiftness. I think the Tranströmer quote on your user page is a perfect summary of that interest. I appreciate the promptness and quality of your work, and I see nothing remaining to address before promoting this article. Thank you, congratulations, and I hope to see more work like this in the future! Kimikel (talk) 19:53, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

Well-written

• I would recommend replacing almost every time you call him by his full name with just "Louis" or "Malet de Graville".

• Fixed

• When you start a sentence with "In [year]" or "By [year]" I would put a comma after the year.

• Fixed

Lead

• Around 1440 > i would recommend c. here

• Fixed

• Louis Malet de Gravile's > Louis Malet de Graville's

• Fixed

• Louis' youngest daughter, Anne de Graville (c. 1490–1540), was a writer, courtier, intellectual and book collector in her own right. > Since you are starting the lead with his family background, jumping ahead to his daughter breaks the timeline a bit. I would leave this out of the lead entirely.

• Done

• In 1463 Louis de Malet's father was taken prisoner by English troops. Louis Male de Graville > Here you use two versions of his name that seem to be nonstandard, is this intentional?

• Nope, just a couple of plain old errors. Fixed.

• Anne, became a central member > Anne, becoming a central member OR Anne and became a central member

• Fixed

• During a period from 1491, he > Beginning in 1491, he... Also, the first time he's mentioned in a paragraph, he needs to be mentioned by name

• Fixed

Heraldry

• background; or, in heraldic terms, its blazon would be: gules, three buckles or. > background, or, in heraldic terms, gules, three buckles or.

• Fixed

• Louis Malet de Gravile > Louis Malet de Graville.

• Fixed

• illuminated manuscripts, and the buildings he built or repaired, profusely decorated > illustrated(?) manuscripts and the buildings he built or repaired heavily decorated

• Partially fixed – I kept "illuminated manuscripts" but added a wikilink to the article, as it is strictly speaking a book which is even more elaborately decorated than just by illustrations.

Biography

• His father, Jean VI, > Louis needs to be mentioned by name (start of paragraph)

• Fixed

• In 1472, he undertook a trip to the County of Armagnac, possibly to negotiate with the rebellious Count John V, a delicate journey indicating that Louis enjoyed a high degree of trust from the king early on. In 1472, possibly to negotiate with the rebellious Count John V, he undertook a trip to the County of Armagnac, a delicate journey indicating that Louis enjoyed a high degree of trust from the king early on.

• Fixed

• In 1467 he was entrusted > this should come before the events in 1472 and 1475 (unless you meant 1477 here)

• Fixed, it should be 1476.

• (who at the time was only 13 years old) > commas instead of parentheses

• Fixed

• Anne, became a central member > Anne, becoming a central member OR Anne and became a central member

• Fixed

• recently been instrumental in defeating > context for when/in which war would be good here

• Fixed, added a mention of the French-Breton war here as well.

• distanced him to > distanced him from

• Fixed

• He died on > merge with previous parargaph

• Fixed

Legacy

• Also other conflicts, > Other conflicts,

• Fixed

• to designs by > based on designs by

• Fixed

• Grodecki has described > Grodecki described

• Fixed

• His library consisted > clarify that it's Louis' library, not Claude d'Urfe's

• Fixed

• Notably, the library > The library

• Fixed

• (United States) > remove

• Fixed

Illustrated

• One caption misspells his name as de Gravile

• Fixed

• Images are correctly tagged and are well-implemented

Neutrality, stability, and broadness

• No issues

Verifiability

• Title translations for French sources would be helpful

• Fixed

• Spaces before colons in titles (ie "Courtisans à Paris autour de 1500 :) should be removed

• In English yes, but in French they actually put a space between colons (and exclamation marks). Don't ask me why.

• The URLs for Deldicque's books (and possibly others) lead to pages about the book, but not the text of the book itself. In these cases, no URL should be used unless you can find one that has the text of the book.

• Fixed

Spot check

• 3: Verified
• 10: Verified
• 58: Verified
• 59: Verified
• 47: Verified

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Coat of arms of Louis Malet de Graville

• ... that Louis Malet de Graville (coat of arms pictured) began a successful career at the centre of French politics after his father was captured by the English? Source: Deldicque 2021, pp. 23–24
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Jeanne Trevor

Improved to Good Article status by Yakikaki (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 147 past nominations.

Yakikaki (talk) 21:59, 3 January 2025 (UTC).

• Article well written and well-source. Interesting hook, with offline source accepted in good faith. Improved to GA statue on 3 Jan, so new enough. Image public domain (though I think this image from the lede is more eye-catching). Good to go. Best, Tenpop421 (talk)

• Thanks for the review! I agree about the image, but the alternative would be difficult to caption. Yakikaki (talk) 18:22, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
  • How about "... that Louis Malet de Graville (perhaps pictured at centre) began" for the hook and "Louis Malet de Graville at centre, perhaps" for the caption? Tenpop421 (talk) 19:08, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
    • Well, thanks for making an effort, but I'm not super convinced. Without a bit more context it sounds strangely dubious. I would prefer to stick to something a bit clearer for the front page, and his coat of arms is both a personal symbol and also quite pretty, in any case. But thanks again for taking the time to try to find a solution. Yakikaki (talk) 19:57, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
      • Fair enough! Happy for it to go forward with the coat of arms. Best, Tenpop421 (talk) 00:32, 6 January 2025 (UTC)