Talk:Local electoral area

Title

Suggest this is moved to "Local electoral area (Ireland)" as the current title does not reflect its subject. ----Ehrenkater (talk) 12:38, 20 October 2013 (UTC)

Oppose, a disambiguator is not needed in this case as no other country uses such a term. For example Non-metropolitan district is specific to England but does not have the country after it. There is no requirement that the title incorporate the country if it is unique. Snappy (talk) 14:56, 20 October 2013 (UTC)

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The article doesn't explain, at all, what the purpose or powers of the districts are outside of them being the basis for Local Electoral Areas. If districts are the second tier of local government in Ireland, it needs to be explained what they do, and what kind of bodies they elect. Surely districts exist beyond simply for the electing of people to the first-tier city, council, and city and county councils or they'd just be Local Electoral Areas. So, what is the purpose of districts? --Criticalthinker (talk) 19:15, 19 November 2015 (UTC)

Anyone? --Criticalthinker (talk) 18:15, 10 May 2016 (UTC)

You raise a very pertinent point, Criticalthinker. According to the Department of Housing, Planning, Community and Local Government (http://www.housing.gov.ie/local-government/reform/local-government-reform):

Councillors elected for each local electoral area are now the municipal district members for the relevant municipal district [,] with the plenary council (the county council or the city and county council) consisting of the combined membership of all municipal districts. The municipal district members perform a range of statutory functions in respect of their own district. (My emphasis.)

It's something to be going on with... but I have yet to find out precisely what those statutory functions are. Am still looking! - Picapica (talk) 19:54, 25 January 2017 (UTC)

@Picapic, did you ever find out an answer to this question about what the particular competencies are for municipal districts and their councillers? --Criticalthinker (talk) 10:44, 25 June 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for the nudge, Criticalthinker (I'm afraid I did lose this ball in the long grass some while ago!) All I have to add at this moment is (from the Tipperary Co. Council website):

"The Districts are not themselves legal entities, the county council being the corporate body. However, the members acting in district formation have certain powers relating to the running of their own meetings and with regard to operations and maintenance works within the district."

So, district members do have "certain powers" -- but I still don't know precisely what they are! I suspect it's going to be necessary to track down the relevant statute(s). -- Picapica (talk) 20:47, 25 June 2017 (UTC)

Actually, this is getting really close to answering my question. These are not actual subdivisions with their own councils. So, they aren't second-tier municipalities like you'd find in other countries. It really does seem that they are VERY similiar in use to local electoral areas, and by that I mean simply lines drawn to organize constituencies to a local council. By all of this I mean when giving the population and area of a city, town or village in Ireland, you'd probably never use a "municipal district" measurement. It'd seem, then, that you'd either use the population and area of a city/county council or the "urban area" or "settlement" population of a city, town or village irrespective of city/county boundaries. --Criticalthinker (talk) 05:31, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

Honestly, I think this needs to be clarified on the page, as even if not explicitly mentioned, the implications are that these are lower-level local governments when they aren't. Municipal divisions/electoral areas are clearly delineated for electoral purposes only; they are not local governments in their own right. --Criticalthinker (talk) 10:45, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

This rather surprisingly still hasn't really been answered. We still has this sentence: "A municipal district is a division of a local authority which can exercise certain powers of the local authority." Again, someone with more knowledge about local governmen law in Ireland needs to look into this. I've yet to find where "municipal districts" are anything other than a sub-area of a local electoral area in more rural districts. If hey don' have associate local councils, it's gets very difficult to call them local government areas. They may be administrative divisions of the country, but local government areas they are not, I'd think. --Criticalthinker (talk) 14:50, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

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Requested move 9 February 2019

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The result of the move request was: moved as requested per the discussion below. Dekimasuよ! 19:11, 16 February 2019 (UTC)

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Municipal district (Ireland) → Local electoral area – There are two main reason for this suggestion, which I make here rather than unilaterally as it reverses a move of five years ago:

1. Of the 31 local authorities, all have LEAs, but 6 do not have municipal districts.
2. In the local authorities with municipal districts, they are formed and defined by LEAs; unlike towns and boroughs before 2014, they don't have a separate definition. As LEAs will change, even if slightly, after every census, so will the boundaries of municipal districts.

I'd also question the definition of the municipal district here as a second-level local government area, as they are county councillors for the district performing functions of the county council (or city and county council), rather than having the autonomy of the old towns and boroughs.

If this change is accepted, we'd simply reverse the opening paragraphs, create an anchor for Municipal district, and refine the text. Iveagh Gardens (talk) 14:34, 9 February 2019 (UTC)--Relisting. Warm Regards, ZI Jony ^(Talk) 15:24, 16 February 2019 (UTC)

• Support I am in complete agreement with this, and it's something I've wanted someone to address for years. These are not local governments, rather components of local governments; local government districts/wards. --Criticalthinker (talk) 02:29, 11 February 2019 (UTC)

• Support Seems logical and would also tie in with WP:COMMONNAME. Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 16:52, 16 February 2019 (UTC)

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As two things are now defined in this article, should there be a redirect for all variations of municipal district (Ireland)?95.83.254.184 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 08:21, 18 February 2019 (UTC)