Talk:Lists of shopping malls

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There already exists a [[Category:Shopping_malls_by_country Category:Shopping malls by country] page on Wikipedia. Please merge both pages --Jibran1 01:08, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

This page was voted on for deletion at Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/List of shopping malls. The consensus was to keep it. dbenbenn | talk 20:55, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Article List of defunct shopping malls listed on Wikipedia:Votes for deletion July 1 to July 7 2004, consensus was to redirect to here. Discussion may be found at Talk:List of defunct shopping malls/Delete.

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Is there any point to this page? Do we really want a list of every shopping centre in the world? Secretlondon 19:23, Nov 2, 2003 (UTC)

I think it would be good to have a list of the ones we have articles on, for ease of finding the articles. However I'd be for getting rid of the ones with red links, and maybe a title change. - Hephaestos 19:25, 2 Nov 2003 (UTC)

On the other hand, the list doesn't need its own article (yet, anyway); I've moved it to shopping mall. - Hephaestos 19:32, 2 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Assertion: Wikipedia should have an article on any institution or activity that is bigger than wikipedia. Shopping malls attract millions of people a year who spend hours and dollars there, they are the centers of activity in many suburban areas, the core of the Edge City. Most of the malls I listed did have wikipedia articles (or should).

At what point the list should be its own article (when the article > 1 page, > 2 pages?) I don't know, but I suspect it will be sooner rather than later. We have articles on minor league baseball teams, surely a shopping mall impacts more people.

The point ultimately is when there is a WikiProject:Shopping Malls, we can do some comparative analysis and gain a deeper understanding of these beasts. dml dml

Criteria for malls on this page

Here are the criteria I used to prune the page down to a manageable size:

• Biggest mall in its country. (Mall of America)
• Nationwide or worldwide brand recognition.
• Historic importance.
• Tourist destination in itself (South Coast Plaza).
• Just freakin' HUGE, man. (West Edmonton Mall)
• Sited in, or near a world city. Most of the malls in small American and Australian states don't fit this category because they are 300 miles away from the closest world city.
• Not just another suburban mall---there is something very special about it. For example, Pruneyard remains on the list not because it's particularly huge, unique, or popular, but because it was involved in a famous U.S. Supreme Court case that is still a key component of American free speech law.

None of these was conclusive; each criterion was one of several factors for why I kept or deleted any given mall.

--Coolcaesar 08:00, 2 Mar 2005 (UTC)

At least add,

• someone has bothered to write an encyclopedic entry on

dml 18:52, 2 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Coolcaesar, this page is called "List of shopping malls", not "List of noteworthy shopping malls". If you want to create the latter, then go ahead, but let's keep this list as comprehesive as possible. -- EagleOne 19:28, Mar 2, 2005 (UTC)

This has already been debated heavily on the Votes for deletion page. As eager deleter Radiant! has persuasively argued (he/she has convinced me), there are (1) simply too many shopping malls in the world to list all of them; and (2) most people don't care enough about the vast majority of those malls to draft a Wikipedia article about them, let alone read someone else's article about that mall. The list was already growing to an unmanageable size; over time, the result would be a gigantic monster of a page, half of which would be full of unresolved links in red, and which no one would actually read.

The sad, simple truth is that the vast majority of malls are very similar to each other, especially as more and more segments of the retail industry are taken over by multinational chains. Most of them have the same tacky design by the kind of mediocre architects who will never have one-name recognition like Gehry or Wright. Most of them have the same basic layout, at least in concept. The only thing that varies is the shape of the site, the height and shape of the building, and the amount of parking.

Once you've visited about 50 or 60 malls (I have), you've seen virtually all of them. Trying to incorporate all of them into Wikipedia would turn Wikipedia into a free advertisement for thousands of malls that are unknown outside their local communities, and which in a local history book might get only a page or two. If I wanted to waste my time skimming such a huge list, there are many online Web directories and Yellow Pages available.

Finally, I think it was agreed on the Votes for deletion page that a comprehensive list of shopping malls is more appropriate for the Category pages.

--Coolcaesar 00:24, 3 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I'm sorry, I didn't see the VfD page on this article before I commented earlier. I've voiced my objections to the deletion over there, but I'll summarize it on this page. I think it best if we break this page up into several pages, sorted by country/state/province/etc. That we, we can keep the complete list, but we reduce each individual page down to a much more manageable size. It's been done on other humungous lists, why not here? -- EagleOne 04:06, Mar 3, 2005 (UTC)

Well, if you want to do all that work and revise this page's text to indicate that it is fully comprehensive in scope (with pointers to appropriate sub-lists), go ahead, (I'm too busy trying to cool off an edit war on an other page to stop you) but I think it's preposterous. With other humongous lists on Wikipedia, the lists are of things that are reasonably limited in number (e.g., highways or different types of chain establishments). But there are so many malls in a typical American city that most American states would probably need their own page, and I assume the same would be true of a large number of European counties, provinces, departments, etc. The result would look like a Web directory, and users can already go to Yahoo or the Open Directory if that's what they want. --Coolcaesar 20:49, 8 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Should we include a line about what makes each mall on this page special?

After much thought, I added on the reasons why the California malls are notable (after someone else did so for Horton Plaza). But I am worried that if we do this for all the malls in the article, then it might begin to look cluttered. What does everything else think? --Coolcaesar 08:00, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Yes

It will look fine I think... By putting "A FEW" details perhaps a person who is perusing thru the list will be able to identify which they are looking for... i.e.... Mall of America... largest mall in world (at present)... etc...

BTW... Parly II located in Le Chesnay, France (Paris Suburb) is the largest mall in all of Europe similar to the layout of a "Mills" mall in the US but multi-storied, and Centre La Defense (called "4 Temps" underneath the Grande Arche) is the second, both much larger than Chatelet Les Halles in central Paris. Centre Pompidou is a museum and a shopping center combined, though I must admit, the museum aspect is it's dominant side. There is also a major mall of note made of the first 3 floors of the Tour Montparnasse in Paris, but I forgot what it is called. *Parly II website in French

[some anonymous user]

Okay. I concede your point about Parly II. Feel free to add it back on the page---I won't stop you. But the last time I saw Quatre-Temps in La Defense, it was already a run-down mess by the late 1990s; it may have been notable in the 1980s but not now. Centre Pompidou is more famous for being a museum, not a shopping center; this page is for shopping centers that are notable in their own right. --Coolcaesar 11:10, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Why I'm pulling Antelope Valley Mall

Hello:

To "the anon" user: Sorry, but I don't think Antelope Valley Mall is really worth adding on the List of shopping malls page.

I reviewed its Web site. Antelope Valley Mall is a regional mall with only 135 stores. There's nothing there that makes it any more special than Valley Fair (Silicon Valley's most popular mall) or Arden Fair (Sacramento's most popular mall with 165 stores). Dillard's is a minor regional department store chain that is getting clobbered by Federated Department Stores.

This whole issue of whether minor regional malls should be allowed on this page was already heavily debated two months ago (see the link above to the huge "Votes for deletion" debate) and the consensus was to not allow them. We already have the Search box for people looking for those malls directly, and the consensus was that for a full list of malls, there is always the Categories page.

--Coolcaesar 10:48, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I should also add, the same logic applies to Northridge, which is why I'm pulling it.

To make myself clearer, the problem with both Antelope and Northridge is that there is nothing really "special" about them that distinguishes them from the thousands of other regional malls around the world. Furthermore, they are both far from major urban centers (as in Los Angeles), so the chance is small that any tourist (and thus any non-SoCal resident) will visit them, wonder about them or bother to look them up on Wikipedia.

In contrast, even though Stanford Shopping Center is far from San Francisco and San Jose, it is adjacent to Stanford University and it caters to the dot-com millionaries and professionals of Silicon Valley, so it is well-known worldwide.

As for Century City---actually, the more I think about it, Beverly Center is the mall that gets the most Hollywood celebrity shoppers, so I'm pulling Century City and inserting Beverly Center instead.

One sign of that "special"-ness or international recognition I'm getting at is that Beverly Center and Stanford have Web pages specifically oriented at out-of-town visitors and tourists. Antelope Valley and Northridge Fashion Center do not.

--Coolcaesar 11:00, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)

More points: even Glendale Galleria (which I'm not sure should be on this page) has a currency exchange booth. Fashion Island has a "Concierge" Web page that is obviously aimed at tourists.

--Coolcaesar 11:06, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Point well taken... well said.

However, if one is going to use the fact that celebrities frequent a certain mall making it of importance... the Westfield Shoppingtown Topanga Plaza and Westfield Promenade shopping dual mall complex in Woodland Hills has more rich persons and celebrities shopping there than any other mall in Los Angeles by a longshot, including the Beverly Center and the South Coast Plaza combined. I know this becuase I used to work there. --Anon 03:48, Apr 16, 2005 (UTC)

and.... Northridge is the busiest mall in Los Angeles County so it is notable. --Anon 04:20, Apr 16, 2005 (UTC)

I just ran some searches on the LexisNexis ALLNEWS file. It covers thousands of English-language sources worldwide, including the majority of American newspapers and magazines (and yes, both the L.A. Times and the Daily News).

The phrase "Beverly Center" plus "celebrity" (or "celebrities") occurred in 673 articles. Celebrity (or "celebrities") occurred with "topanga plaza" in only 49 articles and with "westfield shoppingtown promenade" in only 3 articles. Furthermore, most of the Topanga Plaza articles were non sequiturs; the only celebrity name mentioned was Diahann Carroll.

The point is, whatever your personal experience, it's not showing up in the media, which defines the public perception of celebrities in general. I strongly doubt that celebrities are showing up at western or northern San Fernando Valley malls, and the paparazzi are somehow failing to chase them out there (considering that they have the incentive of $20,000 or more for a perfect shot). Remember what happened to Princess Diana?

On another Lexis search, I discovered that according to page 36 of the May 31, 2004 Daily News Record (published by Fairchild Publications), Northridge Fashion Center was ranked only 7th of the 10 largest malls on the West Coast (by leasable square feet). South Coast, Del Amo, and Lakewood were 1, 2, and 3.

Ontario Mills was 8, although before you jump on that I'll also point out that Mills Corporation has much stronger brand awareness nationwide than General Growth (the owner of Northridge Fashion Center). Also, Ontario Mills is located 1 mile from Ontario International Airport; unlike Northridge, it has international clientele. Northridge is 22 miles from LAX.

Furthermore, I have no idea where you're getting that "busiest" fact from, because it's not showing up on Lexis, which means it has to be coming from a book or some really obscure periodical (Lexis also carries most biz school journals). Do you have a citation for that?

--Coolcaesar 08:18, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

... It comes from the sales volume reports of the individual stores within.

For example... the Sears store at Topanga Plaza averages $1.7 million per month in gross sales, compared to $2.6 million for Torrance (Del Amo), and $2.9 million for Northridge. I worked there so I saw them.

My best friend worked for Kevin Jewelers also. The Kevin stores in the same three malls averaged $180,000 per month in Topanga, $275,000 at Del Amo, and $310,000 at Northridge.

The same goes for the Robinson's-May stores in those same 3 respective malls. Topanga $1.4 mill, Del Amo $2 mill, and Northridge $2.3 mill.

The Northridge mall also has a higher resident population in it's vicinity than does the Del Amo mall. Northridge has 1.4 million people within a 10 mile radius of itself, whereas Del Amo only has 1.1 million. The stores at Northridge have a higher GDP than stores at Del Amo. This is why I say that Northridge is busier. Torrance always ranks second behind Northridge. South Coast is actually first anywhere, but it is in Orange County, not Los Angeles Co.

Plus... the simple fact that you found it to be one of the 10 largest malls on the West Coast (which is more than just California) should by itself make it important enough for the list.

Yes, the Mills corp does have a better national awareness, but you also must remember that Mills is also part of the name of their properties. ie... Ontario Mills, St. Louis Mills, Concord Mills, etc... General Growth does not advertise itself that way. If you took a survey, the majority of those in So. Cal. would not even know that the Glendale Galleria was owned by them, nor would they know that about Northridge. Yet, the Galleria is very well known outside of California, as is Northridge (most notably due to the 1994 earthquake that destroyed it), which was an event that brought world fame to the area... so yes, Northridge is a notable mall that is worthy of being mentioned on the list.

And... No, being next to Ontario Int'l Airport does not bring international clientele to Ontario Mills. If you were to look at the flight arrivals and departures for ONT you would see very few actual international flights. An international designation given to an airport simply means that there is a U.S. Customs office at the facility, nothing more. Some international airports don't have any international flights at all (ie... Palm Springs Int'l, or New Hanover Wilmington Int'l in NC.) Furthermore, any international travelers into ONT are not very likely to be headed to Mills or the Inland Empire anyway. Int'l travelers are either using it as an alternate to LAX, or they are using it as a switchpoint to another airport somewhere else in the country. (Users of Hope (Burbank) Airport are more likely to stop at Northridge than ONT travelers are to Mills)

And... as Topanga goes... more rich persons live in that area than around the Beverly Center. People in Malibu, Agoura Hills, West Hills, Woodland Hills, Sherman Oaks, Tarzana, Calabasas, Bell Canyon, Simi Valley, and Hidden Hills shop there more than any other mall. Yes Beverly Center does have its rich persons in the area, like Westwood, Pacific Palisades, Beverly Hills, and Bel Air, but if you look at the total resident population of rich persons in those places and and compare it to that of those who shop at Topanga, Topanga beats it 4 to 1. Add it for yourself. Santa Monica is actually more likey to draw rich persons than Beverly Center.

Plus... Woodland Hills (91364, 91367) is home to more individual famous persons than any other zip-codes... INCLUDING Beverly Hills. Calabasas (91302) has more famous persons per-capita than any other city/community. Beverly Hills has the name, but Woodland Hills has the statistics. Topanga is also featured in more movies and films than any other mall in Southern California except for South Coast. (ie... Malibu's Most Wanted, Extreme Home Makeover, Sears Commercials, Nordstrom Commercials, etc...)

P.S. The Paparazzi issue is the prime reason that they shop there. Topanga Plaza does not allow any sort of video or photography on it's premisis without permission and a contract. Cameras cannot be exposed on their property. This eliminates the paparazzi from carrying out their endeavors there, unless they wish to face a lawsuit that would cost more than their photo would pay. This is why the mall is used in so many commercials and movies because it is safer to do so without having outsiders hampering them.

But... these discussion pages are not for long drawn out arguements. There are more effective places for that. The point is... both Topanga and Northridge are notable malls for their independent reasons, and should be mentioned on the list. I consented to the removal of AV Mall, though it is the ONLY mall in that region and has the largest service area in the nation (in square miles) with persons as far away as Ridgecrest and Bishop that shop there as their primary mall, and is therefore notable simply because of that. And... the number of stores square footage provided does not include the stores in the parking lot. The numbers I put in reflected the latter. --Anon 07:45, Apr 19, 2005 (UTC)

Well, I'm too busy at the moment to argue any more about this, and also after some Googling I have to concede that Northridge Fashion Center is famous because of the Northridge earthquake. If you want to put Topanga and Northridge back on the list, go ahead. To quote Star Wars, though, "I have a bad feeling about this ..."

Now we will see all the wackos coming out of the woodwork and wanting to put Fresno Mall and Visalia Mall back on the list.

--Coolcaesar 09:31, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)

LOL... I don't think Visalia mall is worthy of the list. Fresno maybe, since it is a big city, and is known outside of California. But... I doubt they'll pay attention.

Speaking of Star Wars... BEWARE OF THE POWER OF THE DARK SIDE... MAY 19, 2005!

--Anon 06:31, Apr 20, 2005 (UTC)

Why Riverchase Galleria and The Summit Should Be on the "List of shopping malls"

Riverchase Galleria is the largest mixed-use complex in the Southeastern United States at 1.7 million square footage. "The Galleria" as it is locally called, is also still considered as 1 of the top 5 largest shopping destinations of the South along side Mall of Georgia, Lenox Square, Sawgrass Mills, and Florida Mall. The center is also the most popular tourist attraction in Alabama. Also is frequently visited by the residents of the neighboring states of Tennessee, Mississippi, Georgia, and even Florida as well, thus making it a major tourist attraction. In addition to this when tourists and visitors of Birmingham and Central Alabama come into the area The Galleria or The Summit is usually their first choice as a shopping destination. In my opinion that would establish this center as a notable shopping mall in the United States.

My reasoning behind supporting the placing of The Summit shopping mall because it is the initial development that started the lifestyle/open-air center craze across the nation and world. When its owner Bayer Properties purchased the parcel that that now holds The Summit, they wanted to build something that was innovative and different from the typical enclosed shopping mall. They wanted to build something that would make shoppers from everywhere take notice and enjoy the convenience of shopping while also being outside. They decided to build The Summit as an open-air shopping mall. Before the center was even built it was solicted by so many retailers that they turned down more retailers than typical shopping mall could attract. Also many of those retailers included Nordstrom, Saks Fifth Avenue, Lord & Taylor, Bloomingdale's, and Neiman-Marcus which before this development wouldn't have even gave Birmingham a 2nd glance as possible location. After The Summit's first year of being open it had a higher gross revenue rate per square foot than most shopping malls in the entire United States. This mall started the lifestyle center and open-air mall craze around the United States and the world. It has also forced many older and well-established shopping malls to either be renovated to include an outside element like a lifestyle center/open-air mall or been rebuilt totally to compete with this centers.

Finally Bayer Properties, owners of the Summit, has copyrighted the name because the name is some synonymous with the lifestyle center and open-air mall style. There are currently other centers in other states that are baring the Summit brand like The Summit Louisville, and the Summits that will be built in Wilkes-Barre/Scranton, PA, Milwaukee, WI, and even Fort Collins, CO. In addition to this, it was considered by the International Council of Shopping Centers as the world's first official lifestyle center.

  So that would definitely qualify this center more than any other mall in the South as very notable.   Because it started a new worldwide trend in the way shopping malls are even built or designed and its name has been copyright as a United States patent.

Leonard23 23 May 2005 1:30 P.M. (UTC)

Why I Deleted Cary Towne Center & Independence Mall

The reason behind me deleting Cary Towne Center and Independence Mall is because there is nothing special about those malls. Cary Towne Center is a mall is literally a typical shopping center that is located in the The Triangle are of North Carolina. The Crabtree Valley Mall, Triangle Towne Center and The Streets at SouthPointe are more notable shopping malls in the the region than the Cary Towne Center. Independence Mall is a basic regional mall located in the Wilmington area and most of southeastern North Carolina and extreme northeastern South Carolina.

I felt that addition of The SouthPark Mall in Charlotte and Crabtree Valley Mall in Raleigh are more notable than Cary Towne Center and Independence Mall because the both of them are the largest and most notable of all the shopping destinations in the Carolinas.

Leonard23 23 May 2005 2:30 P.M. (UTC)

Too many Malaysian and Brazilian malls

A few months ago, I deleted many of the non-important malls in Third World countries. Now some anon IP idiots (who obviously are too poor to visit a REAL mall like South Coast Plaza or the Mall of America) have put even more unimportant malls back on the list. Anyone care to defend those idiotic listings before I delete them in a week or so? --Coolcaesar 08:58, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

Actually, never mind. I'm cleaning out a lot of the clearly non-notable ones tonight. If you have a good reason for why a mall should stay, put the mall back on, list the reason after the name (as done with the American malls), and write an article. If you don't know how to research the history of a mall, go read Wikipedia:How to write a great article. I know some countries haven't digitized much of their periodicals like here in the U.S., and some countries don't have lots of public libraries like we do, but that's no excuse for not doing research! --Coolcaesar 02:52, 2 September 2005 (UTC)

I am American and I am proud of my country.But I do not really like the way things have been written here. Sure it is a point not to have non-important malls listed here, but the comment above clearly shows lack of knowledge and prejudice. Please try to understand what is really happening here in Asia (India, Malaysia, Thailand...) They do not get impressed with our malls. Ask any Korean!!! Downtowns of big cities in Asia are really far newer than the old American cities. Therefore, Wikipedia for everybody!!! The best way to spread knowledge in America and everywhere and to get rid of old impressions.

The burden is on editors to justify their edits, or else all we will have here is garbage (e.g., the vast majority of blogs and Web sites). If you have photographs or have citations to articles about the biggest Asian malls, then please create the articles on those malls and then feel free to add them to this page. Furthermore, the best American malls, as you should know as an American, are not in the downtowns, but in the suburbs. --Coolcaesar 01:50, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

Why the Beaver Valley Mall should be on the list

It is the scene of the largest hepatitis A outbreak in Pennsylvania history, which typically doesn't have many cases of hepatitis A, thus, many people weren't immune to the virus and many people became sick and some even died. It is one of the worse outbreaks the United States has ever seen. It has changed the way people think about the disease, and has caused experts to step up their efforts to raise awareness of hepatitis A.

That doesn't make the mall one of the great and ultra-notable, but it should definitely have an individual article and be mentioned there (for historical notability). CrazyC83 04:19, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

Criteria for articles

Since there is no criteria for individual articles (not mention on this page), I have thought of some: (Note that this means that there will be hundreds or thousands of articles, but I can't be biased towards any regions):

To get its own article, I think that it should meet at least one of the following:

• Moderate or high level of historical notability (i.e. first mall in a country, revolutionized a certain aspect).
• Minimum 100 stores and mall services within the shopping area.
• Minimum 700,000 square feet of Gross Leasable Area.
• Largest mall in a state, region or country.
• Notability linked to another attraction.

Anyone agree with those? CrazyC83 04:17, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

I think your list is quite good (but I might be biased since practically all of the malls listed under California already meet those criteria). What does everyone else think? --Coolcaesar 04:27, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

Of course with those criteria, in the US alone, there will have to be over 500 articles, and most large and mid-sized cities (and many small cities) will have at least one mall within those criteria...the "largest in a region" criteria is to ensure that sparsely populated areas (of reasonable size) can keep notability even if it doesn't quite meet other criteria. The number of stores and GLA do NOT include office space, they have to be retail space in the mall structure or outparcel retail on the mall property. CrazyC83 20:45, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

I dig this idea; the second criterion, in particular, is a sensible compromise, though I certainly wouldn't object if smaller centres were added. With this in mind, though, what would people think about breaking this list down into continents? One list will never be enough for these purposes. Ambi 11:48, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

South Carolina Malls.

I know every state isn't listed, but it kind of irks me that there is not one South Carolina mall that warrants a listing. How about Columbiana Centre? It has a Carousel.

Basically, if you really care about your state, you need to find a mall where an article about it would meet minimum Wikipedia standards. It has to be a mall that's, say, the biggest in the state or even the entire South, or it was the defendant in a U.S. Supreme Court case, or was the site of a major news event of nationwide importance. Something BIG. And then you need to write the article about it. Go take a picture, too (as I've done for Stanford Shopping Center). Then you can add it to the list of shopping malls for the U.S. Otherwise, if you just add a link but no article, I'm afraid I'll have to delete it, as I don't have the time to do the research for you (I have my hands full researching a long-planned revision of the Lawyer article). --Coolcaesar 05:22, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

Coolcaesar has fairly strict views on notability, which aren't necessarily shared by the rest of the community. Feel free to write about a mall in South Carolina. As long as it's not a strip mall or something silly, there's a good chance it'll be kept if nominated for deletion. Ambi 05:41, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

California malls redux

I read the discussion above, and the Antelope Valley Mall and Valley Fair are notable malls in their respective geographic regions, which is per WP:N. Valley Fair is notable because it is large, and some malls are notable because of their history. For instance, Tanforan was a former internment camp, the Sherman Oaks Galleria was the hub of Valley Girl culture in the 80's (as was Puente Hills in its respective area), and the Great Mall was a Ford plant and uses its shell. I argue for a inclusionary standard, especially because of the impending demise of the list of all malls on WP:AFD. Articles do have to substantive, and none of the Fresno Mall articles have gone past the stub level. I like the above standard (a few paragraphs up) from CrazyC83 because it is fairly objective, instead of subjectively disincluding AV and Valley Fair. Thus, more malls would qualify. Calwatch 04:39, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

Notability guideline being developed

Please see WP:MALL where there is an ongoing attempt to create a guideline for which malls are deserving of articles. Your thoughts are appreciated. Edison 06:35, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Largest Mall in Europe

I have removed this section as it does not fit in with the rest of the article, as this is a page about lists of shopping malls by country, not size. Atomic1609 20:27, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Categories should replace this article

This article is pretty much redundant when categories can list all malls in a similar manner. How this article managed to survive this long is beyond my understanding, but another AFD is pretty much in order in the future. - Two hundred percent 08:44, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Agree. Delete or redirect to a category. --Concrete Cowboy 18:09, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Strong Support. Redirecting this article into a category is the best choice and sounds logical, too. The categories could then have many subcats for articles related to shopping malls. e.g: Category:Shopping malls in Malaysia, Category:Shopping malls in the Philippines et cetera (basically: Shopping malls in nation/territory). The parent cat would be Category:Shopping malls. Deletion of this article would be the last resort. Acs4b 11:58, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Strong Support. Also see deletion discussion below.--Rtphokie 00:07, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Deletion discussion

• Strong Support. This article should be deleted. In it's current form it's nothing more than categorization without the benefit of categories. adding a Notable Shopping Malls category to each of the links on this page would acheive the same result.--Rtphokie 00:08, 16 September 2007 (UTC)