Talk:List of opera houses

Clean up and name changed

I've tried to clean up the list in this article so that only opera houses are listed, not opera companies. A List of opera companies should cover the companies themselves, which I will create in the next week (if someone else doesn't beat me to it). Also, I can invision this article being moved to List of opera houses, with "Opera house" devoted to a discussion of opera houses themselves, their history and acoustics, etc. Cheers. --BaronLarf 20:41, Jun 23, 2005 (UTC)

Opera House versus Opera Houses

I have been spending quite some time updating, adding to, and extracting from both of these pages. There is a huge amount of duplication.

Logically, to me it seems, the list of HOUSES ought to contain as many as possible. The term OPERA HOUSE (in the singular) is confusing.

WHAT ABOUT MERGING THE TWO INTO A SINGLE PAGE - OPERA HOUSES - WHICH LISTS ALL THROUGHOUT THE WORLD??

THE PAGE WITH THE TERM "OPERA HOUSE" COULD BE FLESHED OUT WITH A BETTER DESCRIPTION OF THE ORIGINS AND STYLES/TYPES OF OPERA HOUSES.

Vivaverdi 17:52, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

Hi there! IMO: the singular (opera house) should be used for the article title (due to simplicity) and specific notes; the plural (opera houses) for lists, etc. It's analogous to global city (not global cities!). But also note the use of 'opera company' (below).

As for lists, we shouldn't have a plethora of them and I support consolidation when needed. For instance: as the result of a long-standing mediation regarding the global city article (currently in abeyance), I created a list of notable opera companies (25) and would prefer that list remain discrete. Make sense? Let me know if you've questions or neeed assistance. E Pluribus Anthony 23:14, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

Hi - thanks for your comments - and a couple of changes I see you've made to the Opera Houses (sic) list. Since we have an OPERA COMPANIES list, the plural seems to make sense to me.....

As I add the "Opera Houses" in the category section of the arctilce, I find that those houses now flesh out the "Category:Opera houses" section quite nicely and simply puts them in alphabetical order. BUT do you know how to ADD a SUBCATEGORY to a Category - in order to add subcategories such as "Opera in Singapore" for example. Several exist already, but there needs to be more. Vivaverdi 16:24, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

Hi there! The article name deals with the concept or topic of 'opera house' or 'opera company', but a list has more than one of either. This is how (methinks) the related articles/sections should be rendered:

• Opera (article name)
• Opera house (article name)
• Opera company (article name)

BUT

• List of operas (article name or list)
• List of opera houses (article name or section heading)
• List of opera companies (article name) or section heading)

etc.

I'm really neither here nor there, but applaud your work to consolidate multiple lists. Make sense?

If you want to add another category or subcategory (as headings in the article), merely add another set of equal signs before and after the appropriate heading/term; observe below:

=Asia=

==Eastern Asia==

===Japan===

====Honshu====

=====Tokyo=====

etc. Which yields:

East Asia

Japan

Tokyo

If properly formatted, this also yields a table of contents as above. See here for more on categories; essentially, keep them discrete, name them logically, and don't create too many. If the lists are really long, another list/(sub)article can be created with a link to it. I hope this helps! :) E Pluribus Anthony 16:45, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

Paris

It doesn't have any sense to differentiate Opéra Bastille from Palais Garnier : they are both buildings of a same house, which is called "Opéra de Paris". If you don't believe me, please go to www.operadeparis.fr. Théâtre du Capitole plays also opera, ballet and recitals in different buildings, but you couldn't say that there are several opera houses in Toulouse. (www.theatre-du-capitole.fr). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Oktavian (talk • contribs) 01:15, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

Omissions

There are still quite a lot of omissions here. I have just added a number of Italian houses - all of them still presenting opera today. If I have a moment I will look at the German/Austrian lists which also look short. Kleinzach 20:14, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

I have added (I hope)the Navoi Opera Theater in Tashkent. I saw Eugene Onegin there and it's still on the city's guide websites. (Eros1041 (talk) 14:38, 16 September 2008 (UTC))

There is an excellent opera in Szeged/Hungary. See www.myway.de/hoffmann/1314-szeged.html

Dozens of theaters in Germany are missing. These are theaters in smaller towns, so-called Spartentheater in which opera, drama and operetta/musical are performed regularly. Unfortunately I do not understand Wikipedia´s complicated system of brackets and other cryptic symbols, and there are no help programs. Otherwise I would add them. Ontologix (talk) 00:33, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

Old Opera Houses

Can we include locations that used to be used for Opera, i.e. Her Majesty's Theatre which was the home of the company which formed the Royal Opera House and had been performing opera for nearly 150 years? Gustav von Humpelschmumpel 12:53, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

The list currently contains two opera houses that no longer exist (Académie Royale de Musique and Khedivial Opera House), with annotations saying that they burnt down. I don't see why Her Majesty's shouldn't be included, but it should have an annotation saying something like "extensively used for opera, 1705-1847" (although the article seems to concentrate exclusively on ballet for the later years - maybe it needs to say more about Costa and the Italian Opera House?).--GuillaumeTell 13:26, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks- I have added it- I will also try to expand info on the opera performed at Her Majesty's Theatre (any assistance welcome!). Gustav von Humpelschmumpel 18:35, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Edit warring

Can I call on all editors involved to stop edit warring over this article and present their opinions here? Thanks. -- Kleinzach 02:26, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

No one has said that a house which does not present opera all the time cannot be included here. So, the removal of Buxton Opera House (amongst others) is absurd and totally unjustified.

OK, merge the Khedive into Cairo, but this latest petty removal from the list makes no sense whatsoever. Viva-Verdi 02:39, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Is this list meant to be a tourist guide? Or is Wikipedia meant to be actually useful for historical research? If the latter I fail to see how removing my entries is helpful when they played a considerably important role in the history of Opera. Gustav von Humpelschmumpel 02:47, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Can I ask everyone to stop changing the introduction to this article. Let's put it back to what it was on 15 May and talk about it. Is that OK? -- Kleinzach 03:42, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

OK. I have now replaced the original introduction. Please discuss amendments etc. here. Best to everybody. -- Kleinzach 06:09, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

One suggestion: if historical opera houses are included, is there a fear that this might become a little unwieldy? If so, why not create a separate List of historical opera houses? Moreschi ^Talk 08:19, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Yes, historic opera houses are one of our weak areas. (There is a lot of information in Grove but it's under cities not the names of the houses themselves.) -- Kleinzach 08:32, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

So shall we create List of historical opera houses? The introduction of this article currently states:

"there are many theatres whose name includes the words Opera House"

however this is really not useful as many establishments already on the list do not contain the word "Opera" or "Opera house" therefore the introduction should be reworded stating that

"any establishment that does not regularly stage opera should not be included on the list" But then again, how do we define regularly? Gustav von Humpelschmumpel 13:57, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Some of the establishments are clearly more deserving of being on this list than others - for example looking at the calendar for The Lowry, the performances which are not Opera or Ballet seem to significantly outnumber the ones which are. Then we have the Savoy Theatre which I added but was removed by two editors which did put on Gilbert and Sullivan works in 2003, and two further productions of The Marriage of Figaro and The Barber of Seville in 2004. Should this be on the list? Gustav von Humpelschmumpel 14:25, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

OK, how about this wording:

"This is a list of establishments which are currently linked to major opera companies or opera festivals. Other establishments which perform operas by minor companies or only rarely stage opera are not included.".

NOTE: though that Opera North which is linked to the Grand Theatre Leeds, the Lowry Centre, Theatre Royal, Nottingham, Theatre Royal, Newcastle, the Bradford Alhambra and the Lyceum Theatre (Sheffield) is not on List of important opera companies although it has received the following awards recently:

• Winner of the Royal Philharmonic Society Award for Opera & Music Theatre 2007
• Winner of the South Bank Show Award for Opera 2007
• Winner of the Royal Philharmonic Society Award for Opera & Music Theatre 2005
• Winner of the South Bank Show Award for Opera 2005
• Winner of the TMA Theatre Award for Outstanding Achievement in Opera 2004 Gustav von Humpelschmumpel 14:49, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Every surviving (now listed) theatre and opera house in Britain that was designed by the genius that was Frank Matcham is more than capable of hosting Opera of the highest order [1][2] [3]. We are extremely lucky in this respect Gustav von Humpelschmumpel and I suggest that anyone interested in theatre or opera house history or design visit the Frank Matcham Society Website and indeed the wikipedia page entitled Frank Matcham. Other Theatres such as those designed by CJ Phipps are also amazing buldings with superb acoustics, indeed the Lyceum (formerly the English Opera House)[[4]] in London was home to English Opera. Many of the Victorian Theatres started as Opera houses including Her Majestys Theatre Haymarket, London (formerly His Majesty's Theatre, Italian Opera House) [[5]], the Palace Theatre (formerly The Royal English Opera House), Shaftesbury Avenue, London [[6]] [[7]] and of course the Savoy Theatre [[8]]. The reverse was the case for the Royal Opera House in Covent Garden which started life as the Theatre Royal in Covent Garden before being twice burnt down by fire and only later opening as the Royal Italian Opera House in 1858.[[9]]

Today many venues such as the Manchester Opera House[[10]] Frank Matchams Blackpool Opera House [[11]], Matchams Belfasts Grand Opera House, [[12]] [[13]], The New Theatre and Opera House in Cheltenham [[14]] and the Grand Opera House (York)) etc etc, still have the term opera in their title. Other Theatres such as 'The Journal Tyne Theatre' may have had their names changed (the theatre was formally 'The Tyne Theatre and Opera House') but still have superb opera acoustics, and still host operatic theatre. [[15]] [[16]] [[17]], as do many other Theatres in the UK designed as Opera Houses such as Harrogate Theatre (originally the Grand Opera House) and numerous others throughout the UK [[18]]

Matchams original Opera houses such as Wakefield Thearte Royal and Opera House also [[19]] continue to offer superb operatic acoustics, with Falstaff by the Pilmico Opera currently playing at Wakefield. Whilst Frank Matchams Harrogate Hall also in Yorkshire has recently been restored to it's original beauty. [[20]] [[21]] [[22]]

Others such as the London Coliseum [[23]] now home to the English National Opera [[24]] and English National Ballet [[25]] and the Leeds Grand Theatre and Opera House [[26]][[27]] now home to Opera North have been refurbished in recent years and are once again dedicated Opera Houses.

It should also not be forgotten that Opera Companies such as the Opera North [[28]] (whose venues have already been mentioned), do regular tours. The Welsh National Opera (WNO) [[29]] are also regularly resident at Birmingham Hippodrome [[30]] (home to the famous Birmingham Royal Ballet [[31]]). WNO tours extensively throughout Wales, the UK and internationally, presenting over 120 main scale opera performances annually, performing to over 150,000 people in Cardiff (Welsh Millenium Centre home of WNO [[32]]), Bristol, Birmingham, Liverpool, Llandudno, Oxford, Milton Keynes, Plymouth, Southampton and Swansea. Once every two years, the Company presents a major season of opera in London and has for the last three years enjoyed successful residencies at The Royal Opera House. Scottish Opera venues incluse Theatre Royal, Glasgow (Home of Scottish Opera), Eden Court, Inverness, His Majesty's Theatre, Aberdeen, Edinburgh Festival Theatre and the Grand Opera House, Belfast [[33]]. Scotland is also home to the Alexander Gibson Opera Studio (built in 1998) and part of the Royal Scottish Academy of Music and Drama, (who along with the Royal Welsh College of Music and Drama, The Royal Academy of Music (London), Royal College of Music (London), Trinity College of Music (London), Chetham's School of Music (Manchester) and the Royal Northern College of Music (Manchester)), is amongst the most prestigous music schools in Europe.

Glyndebourne Opera venues include [[34]] Glyndebourne in Sussex, The New Victoria Theatre, Woking in Surrey, The Regent Theatre, Stoke-on-Trent, The Milton Keynes Theatre, The Theatre Royal Norwich and the The Theatre Royal Plymouth.

As well as the big six Opera Companies Royal Opera House, English National Opera, Opera North, Welsh National Opera, Scottish Opera and Glyndebourne, there are numerous other Professional Opera Companies throughout the UK (with many having dedicated websites), as well as a growing number of Country House Opera Companies. [[35]] [[36]]

As well as the famous County House Operas such as Glyndebourne, Garsington, Grange Park etc, venues such as Snape Maltings in Suffolk have strong opeatic connections. Snape Maltings being home to the Aldeburgh Festival which was founded in 1948 by the composer Benjamin Britten, the singer Peter Pears and the librettist Eric Crozier. The original intention was to provide a home for their opera company, the English Opera Group, but the vision was soon widened to include readings of poetry, literature, drama, lectures and exhibitions of art and a unque concert hall and music venue. [[37]] Snape Maltings and it's famous Aldeburgh Festival work closely with the Almeida Opera at the Almeida Theatre in London, home to a famous Opera Festival itself.[[38]] The Almeida Opera also has also forged close links with the National Opera Studio [[39]]

Recent press reports have suggested a second venue for the Royal Opera is being considered and will be based in Manchester in Northern England [[40]], with a recent BBC News Article suggesting Manchester's Palace Theatre is to be the Royal Opera and Royal Ballets new northern home. [41] [42] [43]

(See Also Discussion Regarding Wiki List of concert halls (RE: UK)) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.205.89.64 (talk) 14:18, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Kings Place - London

The new state of the art £100 million Kings Place in London is now home to The Classical Opera Company [44] [45]. The Orchestra of the Age of Enlightenment and the London Sinfonietta will also be based at Kings Place with room for rehearsal space, offices and educational programs. [[46]][[47]][[48]] [[49]]

First impressions are of a sleekly elegant glass office building. The beautifully detailed shallow curves of the triple glass wall on the street reflect the clouds. The first newly built venue in London since the Barbican opened in 1982 it has state of the art acoustics by Arup Associates. It is a superb and elegant space, more beautiful than many of London's music venues. Seating 420 people, its design reflects a period of international research by the designers who were influenced by the quality of small halls recently built in Tokyo.

Computer models of other venues such as the Wigmore Hall in London and the Musikverein in Vienna provided comparisons. The oak veneers all come from one 500-year-old German oak tree which has provided the hall with an immediate timelessness. A rehearsal/ conference space (220 seats) will be used for performances ranging from Beethoven to Norwegian jazz and African music. On the open-plan ground floor, the view through the building leads to Battlebridge Basin where there are waterside bars.

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Naming conventions / House versus comapny / English translations

Given recent edits on the Germany and Turkey sections that have raised issues, I'd like to propose that the following conventions apply throughout the article. In many cases and in certain countrries they already do.

1: English names and translations

There are occasions where the name of the house appears in the language of the country and where the average reader may not associate it with the house/company being sought or the name of the house doesn't immediately bring a company to mind:

e.g. Academy of Music in Philadelphia is the home of the Opera Company of Philadelphia.

e.g. National Theatre Munich is the home of the Bavarian State Opera

In cases like this - or where a reader on English Wikipedia may be unfamilar with the foreign language - there can be an English translation (in bracket and Wiki linked, if an article exists)

2: Opera houses and opera companies

The article is a list of houses, not companies.

However, sometimes the name of the house is the same as that of the company and so the wiki link to the existing article is important to keep and not remove (as was done on the Turkish list)?

The name of the company associated is often included in brackets. Why not keep it and not remove as was done recently on the German list.

Viva-Verdi (talk) 18:51, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

I agree with that. My impression was, that the names in brackets were just translations of the opera house name into English, which shouldn't be done unless the opera house itself translates its name / has also an English name. I agree with the benefit that the information about the opera company makes.

LowerBavaria (talk) 20:34, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of this article by 26-Jun-09

Given the existance of this tag on the article's main page:

{{dated prod|concern = A poorly referenced, incomplete, and unmaintainable list|month = June|day = 19|year = 2009|time = 02:22|timestamp = 20090619022248}} <!-- Do not use the "dated prod" template directly; the above line is generated by "subst:prod|reason" -->

What does the WikiProject:Opera group propose to do?

As one of the group's members, I would propose that we address some of the concerns of editor User talk:Rterrace:

1. Attempt to verify existance of these "opera houses" and whether they meet the criteria we have established, such as whether they put on operas in these theatres at all.

2. Remove red links where it is impossible to verify via Google, etc. that these theatres present operas.

3. Blue links to existing articles certainly establisdh the existance of these theatres. What other form of verification is there?

Viva-Verdi (talk) 14:07, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Since one editor - User Talk:Fg2 - has removed the tag, I have gone ahead and started to remove red links where there is no justification for inclusion (i.e. no regular perfs. of operas that is verifiable - see Note at top of article).

This is a work in progress. I hope that other editors join in and put the onus on any editor who adds a link to justify it.

Viva-Verdi (talk) 03:51, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

I've added a couple of references to a list that wasn't a blue link (although it's part of a larger institution that was a blue link). Generally, I don't think proposing or nominating an article for deletion should hold the article hostage until every last detail is sourced, but conversely there's no need to pass up an opportunity to add references. If anything can't be sourced, why not move it to the Talk page so people don't have to duplicate the effort that went into hunting for opera houses to list. Then as reliable sources are found, they can be moved back. Fg2 (talk) 04:52, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

AGREE: article shouldn't be "under the gun" while good faith efforts are being made to develop sources.

Excellent idea on moving unsourced theatres! Where no sources can be immediately be found, let's move them to a separate section on this talk page.Viva-Verdi (talk) 17:17, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

I subscribe to Opera (magazine). It publishes an annual index, from which it should be easy to extract the names of most opera houses with regular performances. I'll be happy to go through the latest index and supply references, but that won't be before next weekend.

It should be noted that the list does, or did, include opera houses, many of them in Italy, which no longer exist or no longer put on opera but have articles in WP (usually for the very good reason that famous operas were premiered there). Should these stay in the list? My opinion is yes, they should. Creating a separate List of former opera houses or List of historical opera houses would be an open invitation to purveyors of listcruft. --GuillaumeTell 10:21, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

AGREE on keeping blue linked historic houses on the list. Header should be ammended to that effect. Viva-Verdi (talk) 17:17, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Buildings removed temporarily from List based on non verifiable presentation of operas

Based on the discussion above, the following "opera houses" are temporarily moved to this location untul an editor can verify whether they do indeed present operas on a regular basis.

Eritrea

• Asmara Opera House, Asmara

Mexico

• Espacio Cultural Metropolitano (Metro), Tampico
• Teatro Diana, Guadalajara
• Teatro Juarez, Guanajuato
• Teatro Manuel Doblado, León
• Teatro José Peon Contreras, Mérida
• Teatro Daniel Ayala, Mérida
• San Miguel Opera House, San Miguel de Allende
• Mazatlán Opera House, Mazatlán
• Teatro Ricardo Castro, Durango
• Teatro de la Ciudad, Monterrey
• Teatro Esperanza Iris, Villahermosa
• Teatro Morelos, Toluca

Slovakia

• State Opera in Banská Bystrica, Banská Bystrica
• State Theatre Košice, Košice

Slovenia

• Slovensko narodno gledalisce, (Slovenian National Theatre) Ljubljana
• Slovensko narodno gledalisce, (Slovenian National Theatre) Maribor

Australia

• Playhouse, Darwin Entertainment Centre, Darwin, North Territory Check webiste for updates asnd justifcation for inclusion: http://www.darwinentertainment.com.au/

South Korea

• Daegu Opera House, Daegu

Malta

• Astra Theatre, Gozo
• Aurora Opera House, Gozo

Two subsections

There were two different subsections for Turkey one in Asia and one in Europe. I merged the two.Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 18:06, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

'The Royal College of Music' - 'Benjamin Britten International Opera School' - 'Britten Theatre' - RCM Kensington, London

An Opera House at one of the worlds most prestigous Music Schools the Royal College of Music in London, it was designed by Sir Hugh Casson and is named after Benjamin Britten, a former student of the RCM. In the style of an Italian opera theatre with proscenium arch and orchestra pit. The only custom built opera house to be built in London since the war, the Britten Theatre is the beating heart of the Benjamin Britten International Opera School, one of the foremost training centres for opera singers in the world. The staff and students form a tight-knit community in which the overall aims are clear: striving for the highest standards, professional advancement and the gaining of much needed experience. To this end the School mounts up to three fully staged productions a year, with staged scenes often performed at intervals in between.[[50]] [[51]]

Poland

There isn't any information about opera houses in Poland / Anon comment 11 April 2007

There are opera houses in Warsaw (Teatr Wielki), Lodz, Wroclaw/Breslau, Gdansk/Danzig and Krakow. There may be one or two more.Ontologix (talk) 00:37, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

Please see below as to the entries for Poland as of TODAY!! If you think that there should be more, please them with appropriate referencing. Viva-Verdi (talk) 03:44, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

• Polish National Opera (Great Theatre), Warsaw
• Baltic State Opera, Gdańsk
• Opera Krakowska, Kraków
• Kraków Chamber Opera, Kraków
• Opera Nova, Bydgoszcz
• Silesian Opera, Bytom
• Court Opera in Łazienki complex, Warsaw
• Grand Theatre, Łódź
• Great Theatre, Poznań, Poznań
• Opera in the castle, Szczecin
• Opera Podlaska, Białystok
• Warsaw Chamber Opera, Warsaw
• Wrocław Opera, Wrocław
• Teatr Muzyczny w Lublinie, Lublin

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