Talk:List of music considered the worst
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Thick of it - KSI ft. Triple Redd
editThere are many sources citing its negative reception on the page for it. It has received overwhelmingly negative reception from both fellow musical artists, general public, and industry professionals, largely due to KSI's already controversial image in addition to Lunchly, Prime, pump and dump scams, his one way "feud" with DanTDM, and his relations with MrBeast and the Pauls.
Mr. Beast's Many Controversies Explained | Lifehacker
KSI Challenges Jake Paul To A Fight After His New Song Gets Roasted
KSI faces backlash over new single "Thick of It" amidst growing criticism: Details inside
Why Does Everyone Hate "Thick of It" by KSI?
However, none of these articles use language such as "the worst" or "worst ever." Does it still quality for this list, or is this list just as strict as the worst films of all time list? On that list, an entry has to go through multiple barriers, and sources need to specifically use language such as "the worst ever" to even be considered. Edelgardvonhresvelg (talk) 20:56, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
- The inclusion criteria require a reliable source calling it the worst, yes. Sergecross73 msg me 21:00, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you for the clarification. So, this list is like the film one in which sources have to use language such as "the worst" or "worst ever" in order to be considered, and overwhelmingly negative reception or anti-awards are not enough. Unlike the worst video games and TV lists which just require sources citing its overwhelmingly negative reception or impact on the producers. Should an editor's note be added such as "Do not add Thick of It, as it is not widely considered to be one of the worst songs ever?" Edelgardvonhresvelg (talk) 23:07, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- It's probably premature to add that, it has t really been much of an issue so far. Sergecross73 msg me 02:50, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
- I still think it should be added given the high amount of sources supporting its negative reception. LordOfWalruses (talk) 17:29, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
- This list has strict and specific criteria like the worst films of all-time list. Simply being universally hated is not enough, multiple Wikipedia trusted sources need to refer to Thick of It as "the worst" or "worst song of all time." Unlike the worst TV or video games lists where multiple sources citing how negatively the series or video games were received is enough for inclusion. Edelgardvonhresvelg (talk) 17:35, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
- I still think it should be added given the high amount of sources supporting its negative reception. LordOfWalruses (talk) 17:29, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
- It's probably premature to add that, it has t really been much of an issue so far. Sergecross73 msg me 02:50, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you for the clarification. So, this list is like the film one in which sources have to use language such as "the worst" or "worst ever" in order to be considered, and overwhelmingly negative reception or anti-awards are not enough. Unlike the worst video games and TV lists which just require sources citing its overwhelmingly negative reception or impact on the producers. Should an editor's note be added such as "Do not add Thick of It, as it is not widely considered to be one of the worst songs ever?" Edelgardvonhresvelg (talk) 23:07, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
Karma - JoJo Siwa
editI think we should add Karma by JoJo Siwa. This song has been relentlessly mocked, panned, and sits at over 3 million dislikes on YouTube.
https://www.billboard.com/music/music-news/jojo-siwa-celebrates-karma-youtube-dislikes-1235735722/ YoungArtist79 (talk) 19:50, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- The inclusion criteria requires a reliable source stating it to be "the worst" in some capacity. Do you have that? Sergecross73 msg me 19:52, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- https://variety.com/lists/worst-songs-2024/
- https://rateyourmusic.com/release/single/jojo-siwa/karma/ YoungArtist79 (talk) 22:38, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
- We can't use RYM due to WP:RATEYOURMUSIC (it fails WP:USERG).
- Variety is a usable source in a general sense, but its a pretty weak argument. It wasn't deemed the worst song of 2024, it merely made an unranked 15 song list, and its list entry says very little on it... Sergecross73 msg me 16:42, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
Personal opinions
editAny song or album on this list that just has individual's personal opinions as a source without any kind of ranking should be removed. A few people not liking a song or album should not be a valid reason to add it to a list like this. There needs to be some quantitive element, such as a poll or a considered ranking. Otherwise, why not just scrape the internet for songs that a few people didn't like and add them? Not very encyclopedic. 98.13.3.175 (talk) 19:10, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
- It's not just what "any ol' person thinks", it's got to be a reliable source publication, such as one's listed as usable at WP:RSMUSIC or WP:RSP. The talk page and its archives show all sorts of entries are rejected because people try to cite YouTubers, comments sections, etc. Sergecross73 msg me 19:47, 12 January 2025 (UTC)
Would More of the Monkees qualify for the list
editThe album was hated by all the band members and Michael Nesmith said it's the worst album in the world. I feel like that qualifies.
When the Monkees released "the worst album" in history
Why Michael Nesmith Hated 'More of the Monkees' Jaf23428 (talk) 00:55, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
I don't think you should immediately add it if you do. maybe wait for a consensus. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jaf23428 (talk • contribs) 12:57, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
- That's...kind of a weird situation. Did anyone feel it was the worst album besides a band member? Sergecross73 msg me 01:28, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
- No but then again, I feel like a band member saying that the album is the worst is enough proof to be on this list. I'm not fully sure though. Jaf23428 (talk) 14:02, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
- Although I think it is mentioned on some articles. All of them just quote Michael Nesmith and don't actually think that it's the worst album of all time. It's rare for a band member to say that their album is the worst let alone a semi-positively received one. Jaf23428 (talk) 18:53, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
- Yeah, I guess it technically meets the inclusion criteria. Far Out isn't a great source, but Ultimate Classic Rock is a good one. Sergecross73 msg me 19:11, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
- Yeah, I guess it technically meets the inclusion criteria. Far Out isn't a great source, but Ultimate Classic Rock is a good one. Sergecross73 msg me 19:11, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
- Although I think it is mentioned on some articles. All of them just quote Michael Nesmith and don't actually think that it's the worst album of all time. It's rare for a band member to say that their album is the worst let alone a semi-positively received one. Jaf23428 (talk) 18:53, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
- No but then again, I feel like a band member saying that the album is the worst is enough proof to be on this list. I'm not fully sure though. Jaf23428 (talk) 14:02, 19 January 2025 (UTC)
Summer Of Paradise The Beach Boys
editIt's considered the worst album by a major artist It deserves a spot. I know you said Far Out isn't a great source however there is another source. I'm not sure if it's that good either. In 1992 The Beach Boys released Summer In Paradise. It was so bad it took them 20 years to put out another album | Louder Jaf23428 (talk) 20:39, 20 January 2025 (UTC) Here's the far out article anyway. https://faroutmagazine.co.uk/summer-in-paradise-how-the-beach-boys-made-one-of-the-worst-albums-of-all-time/
- Far Out magazine isn't usable per WP:NOTRSMUSIC, so you'll need a source that calls it the worst in some capacity in order to have it meet the inclusion criteria. Sergecross73 msg me 21:25, 20 January 2025 (UTC)
- I would say the first one says the worst album by a major artist but it's more of a question "Is Summer of Paradise the worst album by a major band?" So I don't think it really counts. Jaf23428 (talk) 22:57, 20 January 2025 (UTC)