Talk:List of former Muslims

Akbar

The article states that Akbar converted from Islam to a new religion, Din-i-Ilahi, but at the article of Din-i-Ilahi I found out that modern historians disagree as to whether it was a religion or a spiritual discipleship program. Another point to be noted is that Akbar never renounced Islam, publicly or privately, which an ex-Muslim would certainly do. In view of this, I think it would be unreasonable to consider Akbar as an ex-Muslim and his name should be removed from the article. Uchiha Madara 17 (talk) 10:49, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Following aspects come to my mind

1) I suppose this list is primarily for those individuals who have formally renounced Islam or formally converted to another religion.

2) I came across a case of one Saira Khan who according to news reports publicly admitted that she is no longer a practicing Muslim, but she did not say she has left Islam now this category goes to Cultural Muslim until any of Cultural Muslim officially admits they left Islam for encyclopedic purposes they remain to be cultural Muslims

3) Some Muslim individuals or groups practice a concept of Takfir where in one Muslim declares another Muslim as not Muslim enough or even apostate or Kafir and many take objection to any innovation in religion or practice. For extreme orthodox the Muslims not fully practicing every principle of Islam, introducing innovation may not be Muslim enough so they can call them apostate again their are more nuances and interpretations on this aspect but for our this list purpose those criteria are subjective without taking into account what that individual thinks and officially admits of themselves. So for Wikipedia encyclopedic purposes Cultural Muslims, individuals following Syncretism but calling themselves Muslim and individuals like Akbar who bring in innovation or start new belief system but do not officially admit to have left Islam need not count to be Ex–Muslim or Former Muslim.

4) In India one can find at least one example where in one individual openly declared he has not left Islam but follows Hinduism as his 'Akida' meaning belief, then there are many examples of Individuals who say they follow Islam but culturally Hindus again an extreme orthodox Muslim might call them apostate but again until those individuals officially say they renounced their religion for encyclopedic purposes they remain to be people in categories of what they feel but not expressly Ex–Muslim or Former Muslim

5)Borderline Muslims Then there are categories of progressive liberals, modernists , Islamic feminist who interpret Islam in ways extreme orthodox Muslim would not agree but still for all practical purposes they remain on border lines of Muslim or Cultural Muslim, there is one more type in border line Muslim communities who got converted to Islam but the process of Islamization did not take place or did not get completed, in cases of many Muslim communities process Islamization happened too late so what to call whose process of Islamization is in complete ?

• There is one more under looked aspect of Akbar, not only any of his own family member joined his innovative belief system but also he actively supported his grandson Shah Jahan to be raised Muslim with his Muslim wife rather than Shah Jahan's Hindu mother. So there is not much point in categorizing in Ex–Muslim but categorizing in Muslims who initiated their own beliefs system will be a better way. Wikipedia need to have lists for syncretic Muslims, cultural Muslims and those who experimented their own belief systems.

Bookku, 'Encyclopedias are for expanding information and knowledge' (talk) 04:21, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

Agreed, Akbar was indeed a highly unorthodox Muslim at best, but due to no definite proof it would be unfair to categorise him as an Ex-Muslim. A point to be noted it that Cultural Muslim is a somebody who does not practice Islamic beliefs, but there is no evidence as to Akbar stopping practicing Islam, though he likely did not practice as much as an orthodox Muslim. Progressive liberals seems like the optimum category. Uchiha Madara 17 (talk) 13:14, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

Titel "Former Muslims"?

Why is the titel "muslim apostates" and not "former muslims" as for all other religions? Nillurcheier (talk) 09:43, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

@Nillurcheier: The page title was boldly moved in December, I restored the old title per WP:NPOV. –Austronesier (talk) 21:35, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

promotion of violence regarding living persons

ALL living people on this list who have left Islam need to be removed from this page *for their own safety* as the Shari'a penalty for apostasy generally amounts to a death sentence.

ONLY noted persons who have *already passed* / died may be safely listed publicly. RC Silk (talk) 04:44, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

Bad Source

Source 2 (https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/countries-where-apostasy-is-illegal.html) lists Yemen twice. Is there a better source for this? Horsers (talk) 15:35, 13 September 2024 (UTC)