Talk:List of cultural references to A Clockwork Orange
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I'm restoring the Everything2 reference on the grounds that a crappy reference is better than original research. Hopefully this need only be temporary. Any help in cleaning/sourcing the article would be welcomed. — xDanielxTalk 21:52, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
- No, it's not. A reference to an unreliable source (especially one so spectacularly unreliable) is unacceptable. --Eyrian 00:37, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
- I disagree. Exceptional claims require exceptional sources, and the opposite holds true as well - "A Clockwork Orange has had substantial cultural influences" is the opposite of a contentious/unorthodox claim. A Harvard Law Review article on the subject would be great, but that's not realistic. Perhaps the Everything2 reference was going too far (though the content is moderated). I found the original of the New Zealand Herald article you deleted, so in an attempt to compromise I'll just restore that and leave the others out. If you want to improve the article (I can't help suspecting that you have the opposite intention) then I suggest you help with the sourcing instead of reverting every edit that you can possibly find an excuse for reverting. — xDanielxTalk 03:54, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
- I frankly don't believe that the article as it stands can be improved, and I am not going to waste my time trying to do so. Every single citation added has been around the fact that it has been important, with no additional context. That simply doesn't justify a separate article. And, certainly, the gaggle of trivial references that comprise the main article body aren't worth trying to source. The best way to improve this article is to delete it and start over. --Eyrian 04:03, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
- Let's please keep the AfD discussion to the AfD page. — xDanielxTalk 04:28, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
- Serious accusations need to be answered. --Eyrian 16:44, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
- Yes, but not here. Proof by assertion is not an acceptable strategy for AfD debates. — xDanielx T/C 18:01, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
- Serious accusations need to be answered. --Eyrian 16:44, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
- Let's please keep the AfD discussion to the AfD page. — xDanielxTalk 04:28, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
- I frankly don't believe that the article as it stands can be improved, and I am not going to waste my time trying to do so. Every single citation added has been around the fact that it has been important, with no additional context. That simply doesn't justify a separate article. And, certainly, the gaggle of trivial references that comprise the main article body aren't worth trying to source. The best way to improve this article is to delete it and start over. --Eyrian 04:03, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
- I disagree. Exceptional claims require exceptional sources, and the opposite holds true as well - "A Clockwork Orange has had substantial cultural influences" is the opposite of a contentious/unorthodox claim. A Harvard Law Review article on the subject would be great, but that's not realistic. Perhaps the Everything2 reference was going too far (though the content is moderated). I found the original of the New Zealand Herald article you deleted, so in an attempt to compromise I'll just restore that and leave the others out. If you want to improve the article (I can't help suspecting that you have the opposite intention) then I suggest you help with the sourcing instead of reverting every edit that you can possibly find an excuse for reverting. — xDanielxTalk 03:54, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
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Neutral Point of view
editIn an effort to promote neutral point of view, I would suggest arranging lists of references either in chronological or alphabetical order. If someone needs to add a new reference, is the addition made to the top of the list or the bottom? I do not have the desire to rearrange every list I see but would adhere to a policy if there was such a thing. Atoz1 (talk) 23:11, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
False Eyelashes
editThis article keeps making references to "drawn on eye lashes" and "eye make-up" but in the film Malcolm McDOwell wore a real false eye lash from designer Mary Quant, with every other lash removed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.63.200.102 (talk) 02:23, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
Deleting referenced entries on Zarjaz
editSince Zarjaz is possibly one of the most important references to A Clockwork Orange since 1979 (noted as the first Droog band - CO based albums La Leggenda Del Block, Love Backed By Force etc.) it is unusual that reference to Zarjaz has been deleted here, especially since many of the notations, in the same section, remain, without reference. What is the reason for this? I would also say that it might be worth you reading Wikipedia:Verifiability - The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth—whether readers can check that material in Wikipedia has already been published by a reliable source, not whether editors think it is true. Harleancarpenter (talk) 16:26, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
- If such information has been published in a reliable source, please provide a reference. ---RepublicanJacobiteThe'FortyFive' 16:40, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
you missed the point. details that were referenced with a reliable source were removed but you left a page full of unreferenced, unsourced notes Harleancarpenter (talk) 16:59, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
Unreferenced
editI have removed all of the unreferenced assertions from the article. They should not be readded without adequate references. Items that are poorly or inadequately referenced should be removed soon. ---RepublicanJacobiteThe'FortyFive' 04:29, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
- Support this action per WP:BURDEN. Erik (talk | contribs) 13:14, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
Conker's Bad Fur Day
editThe introduction of Conker's Bad Fur Day is no doubt a parody of that of the film version of A Clockwork Orange, however, I cannot find any sources to verify this claim. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gokulol2 (talk • contribs) (19:54, 15 July 2011)
- This has been added and removed numerous times because no adequate ref. has ever been provided. ---RepublicanJacobiteTheFortyFive 21:00, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
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Looking Down the Barrel of a Gun - The Beastie Boys
editIt says ultraviolence in the song and a few lines later says "I am like Clockwork Orange." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:30C:FD47:C0E0:A1BE:2710:3B79:192F (talk) 10:07, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
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