Talk:List of countries by GDP (nominal) per capita/Archive 3

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Semi-protected edit request on 18 August 2023

Felix.j.najera (talk) 15:33, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

In 2022 the GDP of Panama was 76.500 millions , this year the minitery of economy wait for at least a growth of 7.5%. That is more than 82.2 Billions and a GDP pero cápita of more the 20,500$.

Is an important information please FIX it

https://www.laestrella.com.pa/economia/230816/ministro-alexander-sustenta-presupuesto-general-2024-asamblea

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 06:33, 19 August 2023 (UTC)

GDP per capita

This is a joke right? Russia GDP per capita fell, many African countries as usual or others not risen despite the popular African countries are growing fast but Fucking Ukraine which has been devastated by war since last year has risen from 4200 to 5200$ like seriously? Wikipedia is a joke RickyBlair668 (talk) 08:37, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

Edit the GDP per Capita map.

Brazil should be painted with yellow, cuz they have a GDP per Capita higher than 10k Semduvidas1 (talk) 21:09, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

Remark about number ranking only for IMF members

I would appreciate an explicit remark about ranking being given exclusively to the countries that are members of IMF. Having Taiwan, Kosovo, and Palestine on one hand and missing Cuba, Monaco, North Korea, and Lichtenstein on the other is highly confusing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.79.110.116 (talk) 23:21, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

Georgia, Armenia and Azerbaijan are the continent of Europe, not Asia, correct it

Georgia, Armenia and Azerbaijan are the continent of Europe, not Asia, correct it 85.237.234.9 (talk) 03:52, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

Geographically, almost all of Georgia and Azerbaijan, and the entirety of Armenia, are in Asia. And, more to the point, all three countries are grouped within Asia (specifically, Western Asia) in the United Nations geoscheme, which is the source for the continental groups in this article. AuH2ORepublican (talk) 04:05, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

Median estimates makes no sense at all

The estimate sources are from different year, someone just use the median figure as default ranking, and it cannot be edited too, wish someone can fix it Wenxu98 (talk) 14:37, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

Why is taiwan given a number but cuba is not?

firstly, taiwan is lacking the GDP per capita for the world bank and UN, while cuba is only lacking the gdp per capita for the IMF.

Secondly, taiwan is part of china, so it would be more reasonable for cuba to be given a number more than taiwan. Thehistorianisaac (talk) 00:40, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Cuba isn't part of the IMF, that's why there's no data for Cuba Semduvidas1 (talk) 21:09, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

Neither is Taiwan (it was ejected in 1980). The reason there's no data for Cuba is that the Cuban government doesn't provide credible figures. 108.31.224.46 (talk) 18:23, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

Croatia’s GDP per capita

Why is Croatia painted in green if their GDP per Capita is about 18k USD? 191.32.135.81 (talk) 18:07, 30 December 2023 (UTC)

Countries by nominal GDP per capita map

The map of countries in article "Countries by nominal GDP per capita" should be changed: Poland should have light-green colors, its nominal GDP per capita is higher than 20 000 USD WWA4ever (talk) 18:46, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

Can change Map colors ? should use different shades of blue as in the page https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal) ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aj145 (talk • contribs) 17:59, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

Cuba

Cuba gdp per capita 56K? Is this correct? 187.90.196.29 (talk) 16:34, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

According to World Bank, yes.

https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.PCAP.CD?locations=CU Fiszu2001 (talk) 18:27, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

Ranking (error)

Wrong ranking (as one opens the page), probably left from the "Median Estimate" ranking. Once fixed, logically, it should be according to the first column (IMF). Skartsis (talk) 18:04, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

IMF World 2024 data

Hey @Qplb191, I've reverted your revert. World's GDP (nominal) per capita is projected as 13,870 for 2024, according to IMF. It can be found e.g. here: https://www.imf.org/external/datamapper/NGDPDPC@WEO/OEMDC/ADVEC/WEOWORLD Fiszu2001 (talk) 08:17, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

Hello!@Fiszu2001 I would appreciate it if you would make self revert. We do not record the data for 2024 because it is only based on the assumptions and estimates of the IMF and we have to wait for the April report to verify it.The median GDP per capita is from the latest period and it is also by the IMF and in general median information is much more accurate then average so I have no idea why you removed it. I would appreciate if you would please do a self revert because this change was not agreed upon. Qplb191 (talk) 21:42, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

The idea to update the IMF data to 2024 has been proposed by @Skartsis and agreed with @Aj145 (from what I understand) as well as me. Decision to remove the "Median Estimate" has also been agreed upon. Please refer to "2024 Update" discussion of this talk page. Fiszu2001 (talk) 15:35, 16 January 2024 (UTC)

I would support removing the median estimate as explained in a pervious section. However I would not add the 2024 forecasts until the estimates for 2024 come out. SKAG123 (talk) 21:35, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

Agree, I do not have any idea who put the median estimate. It’s widely known that median salary or median GDP per capita is much more accurate than average. But now the table is like a mess. Qplb191 (talk) 02:13, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

Wikiuser552 the table now is total mess . Can someone fix it? Qplb191 (talk) 03:34, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

i did. didn't i? Wikiuser552 (talk) 03:48, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

@Wikiuser552 Cuba ranks 12th while Cuba is not IMF member and there is no economic data about Cuba Qplb191 (talk) 08:15, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

Definitely Cuba doesn’t rank 12th Qplb191 (talk) 08:15, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

I understand that the IMF will release more accurate estimates later in the year. However, since the start of 2024, they have been using the current estimates for this year as the official figures on all of their web pages, for example, GDP per capita at current prices (https://www.imf.org/external/datamapper/NGDPDPC@WEO/OEMDC/ADVEC/WEOWORLD). If the IMF has adopted these estimates, Wikipedia should do the same. Fiszu2001 (talk) 18:41, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

"including non-sovereign states and territories"

The standards are not clear. It seems that non-sovereign countries and regions should be placed on a gray background, but Monaco and Liechtenstein are both sovereign countries and are also placed on a gray background; Taiwan, Kosovo, and Palestine are not recognized countries, but they are not placed on a gray background. BlackShadowG (talk) 01:53, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

2024 Update

The IMF webpage now presents the 2024 values. A good chance to upadate this article, and remove the (surprisingly erroneous) "Median Estimate" column.Skartsis (talk) 14:51, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

That's a good idea. I agree that the "Median Estimate" column needs to be removed. I will get down to it. Fiszu2001 (talk) 10:48, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

I added it. I am well aware that it combined data from different years, limiting its functionality. However, I could think of no other way to represent that some entities have data from some sources and some do not. Any ranking (particularly when using the sorting arrows) is going to be flawed as a result. I would have appreciated a ping before it was removed, as I could have explained this. jhpratt (talk) 10:19, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

Hello, the IMF data for 2024 are estimates, so you have to wait for the April report to change them. Qplb191 (talk) 09:28, 16 January 2024 (UTC)

Data for 2024 are estimates, but same goes for 2023 data and for data a few years back. In fact, the column where we keep the nominal GDP per capita number in this article has been called "Estimate" for years. Due to the fact that the year is now 2024 and IMF has published their estimates for this year, I do not see a reason to remove them. Fiszu2001 (talk) 15:31, 16 January 2024 (UTC)

Can change Map colors ? should use different shades of blue as in the page https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal) ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aj145 (talk • contribs) 18:01, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

SKAG123, I invite you to read this discussion. It seems that we all here disagree concerning the update, so I've already asked for a third opinion. Wikipedia:Third opinion Fiszu2001 (talk) 11:05, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

Since more than 2 editors are involved, I am declining your 3O request. I would try to discuss this a bit more before requesting dispute resolution. voorts (talk/contributions) 04:54, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

Median estimates makes no sense... and it makes you lose interest

The sources are from different years and IMF is the most important benchmark used in statistics. On the Wiki page of each country, the GDP is sorted by IMF and the ranking of countries were mixed up, because of this useless median artifice. Where IMF data is missing, to be completed with data from WB or UN. Monaco and Liechtenstein are considered self-governance in the current list and not countries. An administrator to choose whether this median estimate is useful and must be deleted or retained. I remain of the opinion that median estimation is useless, and the ranking according to IMF data is the most important reference. MIHAIL (talk) 04:12, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

I added it. I am well aware that it combined data from different years, limiting its functionality. However, I could think of no other way to represent that some entities have data from some sources and some do not. Any ranking (particularly when using the sorting arrows) is going to be flawed as a result. jhpratt (talk) 10:20, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

Median estimates due to confusion

Agree with comments above. Whoever added the "Median Estimates" column, did not notice that the different sources referred to different years. It is a logical error and must be removed. Skartsis (talk) 10:42, 28 December 2023 (UTC)

I added it. I am well aware that it combined data from different years, limiting its functionality. However, I could think of no other way to represent that some entities have data from some sources and some do not. Any ranking (particularly when using the sorting arrows) is going to be flawed as a result. jhpratt (talk) 10:20, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

Median estimates must be removed

Whoever added the "Median Estimates" column just complied older data from 2022 and replaced 2023 data with it. Super confusing, this should be removed. Socialwave597 (talk) 06:53, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

I would also support removing the median estimate. The IMF World Bank and UN estimates are from different years so averaging them is misleading. The list should be ranked based on the IMF estimates as it looks like the most recent. SKAG123 (talk) 21:30, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

I added it. I am well aware that it combined data from different years, limiting its functionality. However, I could think of no other way to represent that some entities have data from some sources and some do not. Any ranking (particularly when using the sorting arrows) is going to be flawed as a result. jhpratt (talk) 10:20, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

Recently someone basically destroyed the ranking, now it's one big mess

Someone added new column 'median estimate' and in majority of countries just copied old data from 2022. Positions of countries in the table were mixed up. Because of that, the table (for most countries) shows 2022 rankings, not rankings based on 2023 estimates, like before this new mess. 188.33.240.10 (talk) 12:45, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

I added it. I am well aware that it combined data from different years, limiting its functionality. However, I could think of no other way to represent that some entities have data from some sources and some do not. Any ranking (particularly when using the sorting arrows) is going to be flawed as a result. jhpratt (talk) 10:21, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

Monaco and Liechtenstein

Why are Monaco and Liechtenstein listed as non-sovereign? User.name.here (talk) 01:57, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

Sovereign states

The status quo had been maintained for a long time, but since March, some people edits have been made to determine whether the countries are sovereign or not, and whether or not to include ranking numbers. These edits have remained unchanged for months. This is not an issue that can be changed based on the opinions of a few people. I propose to keep the state "oldid=1210968136" until the discussion is over. Minchuchui (talk) 10:06, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

Reasons against:

1) Extracted from the article: "Non-sovereign entities (the world, continents, and some dependent territories) and states with limited international recognition (such as Kosovo, Palestine, and Taiwan) are included in the list in cases in which they appear in the sources. These economies ARE NOT RANKED IN THE CHARTS HERE, but are listed in sequence by GDP for comparison. In addition, non-sovereign entities are marked in italics."

2) Monaco and Liechtenstein ARE sovereign states (2 of the 193 Member States of the United Nations) and Kosovo, Taiwan and Palestine AREN'T sovereign states. This is A FACT, NOT AN OPINION.

3) Cuba is ranked obviously wrong. Cuba data (- / 9,500 / 11,255) is not greater than Sweden data (55,216 / 55,873 / 60,730). Fernan860 (talk) 19:20, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

It is absolutely and positively "not a settled fact" that Taiwan is not a sovereign states.

There is "international law". Whether a country is a member of the United Nations or not has NO Bearing on whether it is a sovereign state or not. If membership in the United Nations were a condition of being a sovereign state, Switzerland not have been a country until 2002. That is totally ludicrous, and it is not true. "Whether or not a country is a country" is separately stipulated in the international law "Montevideo Convention". Even with this "Montevideo Convention", which is an absolute condition for being a country, there is controversy over whether Taiwan is a sovereign nation. In other words, scholars are divided on whether or not Taiwan is a country. In other words, the "fact" you say that Taiwan is not a sovereign nation does not exist at all. That is a clear falsehood.

Well, the Taiwan status controversy should not be discussed in this Talk.

The issue is how to treat "De facto sovereign states" such as Taiwan, which have separate statistics at the IMF.

I argue that this article should do the same for Taiwan, which is often treated as a sovereign nation in many other Wikipedia articles.

And this is consistent with the version that was maintained for a long time until February 29 of this year. Minchuchui (talk) 11:01, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

Your reasoning about Switzerland is interesting, so it could be accepted for the cases of Kosovo, Palestine and Taiwan. But Monaco and Liechtenstein being sovereign states has no possible objection.

If you want to include Kosovo, Palestine and Taiwan, the next extract would have to be modified: "Non-sovereign entities (the world, continents, and some dependent territories) and states with limited international recognition (such as Kosovo, Palestine, and Taiwan) are included in the list in cases in which they appear in the sources. These economies ARE NOT RANKED IN THE CHARTS HERE, but are listed in sequence by GDP for comparison. In addition, non-sovereign entities are marked in italics." Fernan860 (talk) 16:31, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

I think there are no or very few objections from other people to treating Monaco and Liechtenstein as sovereign states. I think the reason why Monaco and Liechtenstein have not been ranked until now is probably because of their small population size. From now on, I have no objection to treating these two countries as sovereign states and displaying their rankings.

Just like this article, the Wikipedia article Ease of doing business index, which summarizes statistical data published by the World Bank, states that Taiwan is a sovereign nation, as in previous versions of this article. Regarding this, I think it is okay to make changes to the extent of adding a note to the definition of a sovereign nation or the definition of ranking display in that article. However, I think that neither this article nor that article should change the current status quo, where Taiwan is treated as a sovereign state. I think it would be better not to manipulate the rankings by changing the display of one country as a sovereign state or not.

In any case, it would be better to make changes in parallel if possible. Minchuchui (talk) 09:03, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

You clearly did not read the table, it is explicitly stated that it includes countries with partial recognition (most of the members of the UN do not recognize as a country) territories and countries that are not members of the IMF, so there is no current official data for them. Qplb191 (talk) 14:29, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

I thought I told you to look at the wikipedia articles on List of countries by GDP (nominal) and List of countries by GDP (PPP). Since the data are issued by exactly the same statistical agency, it would be totally strange if we did not proceed with the discussion in a unified manner. It is totally unprofitable for you to edit only some of the articles, as you have done, to eliminate the uniformity.

The current notation "GDP per capita (current international dollar) by country or  territory, sovereignty, non-IMF members and countries with limited recognition "

was written as

"GDP (millions of current international dollar) by country or  territory " in the past,

as in the List of countries by GDP (nominal) article, only to be changed to manipulate the rankings by arbitrarily changing the classification of sovereign nations such as yours.

In the past, that was the notation, so your theory does not work.

The "country or territory" notation was used in the past, so Taiwan was officially treated as a sovereign state.

And I would argue that I should revert to that notation again, the same as the List of countries by GDP (nominal) article. Minchuchui (talk) 23:31, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

Most importantly, this article clearly says "states with limited international recognition (such as Kosovo, Palestine, and Taiwan) are included in the list in cases in which they appear in the sources".

This clearly shows that no attempt should be made to exclude Taiwan or Kosovo from the rankings. Minchuchui (talk) 21:51, 16 March 2024 (UTC)

Monaco

There was consensus a to not include countries that are non IMF members and someone just removed that without getting consensus. 北京555 (talk) 16:48, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

Ok. Cuba and North Korea are not members of IMF so I must remove them from the ranking. Fernan860 (talk) 19:43, 17 March 2024 (UTC)