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United States

The US Census gives detailed figures on how it adds up its total area:[1]. This article generally excludes coastal and territorial water within the table itself, with the notes column showing alternative definitions, if any. But the US entry is the biggest exception in that it includes 477,000 km² of non-internal water. It really doesn't need to be this way; we could simply sum the land figure and inland water figure to make the US's entry comparable to all of the others.

It would look something like this:

	Country / dependency	Total in km2 (mi2)	Land in km2 (mi2)	Water in km2 (mi2)	% water
3/4	United States	9,369,417 (3,617,551)	9,147,593 (3,531,904)	221,824 (85,647)	2.4

The entry would remain in the same place and retain the extra note about US-China ranking.

Wizmut (talk) 22:18, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

As part of updating all the "U" countries, I have made this change with a slightly different note. Please do comment if you believe this entry should be rendered differently. Wizmut (talk) 19:08, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

@ZeusDragon2024 Your comment is requested. Wizmut (talk) 18:56, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

9,525,067 is the correct size of the United States. This includes internal waters such as rivers and the United States portion of the great lakes(Lake Michigan, Lake Superior, Etc.. it’s not fair or accurate to include all of Canada Portion of the Great Lakes and it’s other large lakes and rivers but exclude the United States Portion of the Great Lakes from its total land area. All of Russia lakes are included in its total. 9,369,417 is inaccurate information. The United Nations, Brittanica, or the CIA factbook does not have that total listed. ZeusDragon2024 (talk) 20:57, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for using this space to comment.

The US gives figures for different types of water area.[2] It does not include the 'great lakes' area as internal, leading to the figures proposed above.

It is good of you to bring up cases where external lake and sea water may already be included. If possible, can you provide sources/links which explain what external portions of Canada or Russia are being portrayed as internal? Use brackets [] to contain the url.

At minimum, when the definition of 'water area' is different for a given entry, we editors should explain that to the readers. In this table, such caveats and differing definitions are placed into the footnote column. Wizmut (talk) 21:34, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

The U.S census is used to assess the population of the United States. The United Nations, Britannica, World Atlas, CIA Facebook, World Bank etc.. all include the United States portion of the Great Lakes in its total area. As I mentioned above, Lakes are included in total area of countries. Thats why Canada portion of the Great Lakes is included in theirs, Lake Baikal is included in Russia, the African Great Lakes are also included in their respective countries total area. It’s puzzling why this is up for debate when 99.99% agree that the U.S Great Lake portion should be included in the total area. The census has a different section for the Great Lakes is because the Great Lakes are shared with Canada and are not owned exclusively by the United States. 9,369,417 is not found anywhere to describe the size of the U.S ZeusDragon2024 (talk) 22:38, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

Please add links to your claims so the discussion can proceed. Wizmut (talk) 22:45, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

It is common knowledge that the Great Lakes are shared between Canada and the United States And it is common knowledge that the U.S Census is to access the population of the United States. You cannot ignore The United Nations, Britannica, World Atlas, CIA Factbook, World Bank etc... as I stated above there is no modern source displaying the United States total area as 9,369,417. The U.S Great Lakes portion are administered and part of the United States. Everyone agrees. Excluding these facts is unethical. ZeusDragon2024 (talk) 22:57, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

"Administered" is not the same as "internal". Territorial waters are administered.

Please give links that show for Canada and Russia that specific area figures include specific external waters. Otherwise we cannot assess your claims. See Wikipedia:Verifiability. Wizmut (talk) 23:04, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

First of all why are you even using the U.S Census in the first place? That is used to access the population of the United States. second why are you ignoring The United Nations, Britannica, World Atlas, CIA Fact-book, World Bank etc third, where is your link displaying the United States total area as 9,369,417. Fourth, where is the link where it is agreed upon that the Great Lakes should not be included in the U.S total area but should be included in Canada Total area. If you exclude the Great Lakes you need to exclude all lakes from every country. ZeusDragon2024 (talk) 23:15, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

@BlakeRichard00 please see this discussion. Wizmut (talk) 07:45, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

The total area of the United States is not 9,369,417. This is not from any reputable source such as The United Nations, Britannica, World Atlas, CIA Fact-book, World Bank etc I believe this may be some sort of page vandalism. The area 9,525,067 is from Encyclopedia Brittanica. This totals includes just rivers and the United States Great Lake portion. All major sources such as The United Nations, Britannica, World Atlas, CIA Fact-book, World Bank etc include the Great Lakes as internal waters for the United States. Canada total area includes all of its lakes, Rivers, and its Great Lake portion. So how can you deduct the total from the United States. Lake Baikal is included in Russia total area and the African Great Lakes are also included in their respective countries total area. This seems to be some sort of vandalism or Anti-American misinformation campaign. Please stop spreading misinformation. Thank you. ZeusDragon2024 (talk) 04:26, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

One of the problems is that we don't know the things you know. If you make claims that refer to specific data points (Canada, Russia, Africa), please add links to back them up. This is the fourth time you've been asked to verify your claims.

You asked earlier why the US Census is a reliable source for area figures. The US Geological Survey gives the exact same figures as the US Census[3], and the Census itself derives those figures from unpublished TIGER data. If the USGS approves, it would not be surprising to find that the US Census knows what they're doing.

The other sources are not being ignored - their figures are noted in two places, at the rank of the US and in the US's footnote. But they use a definition that is different from the one preferred for this article (inland area). The Census gives land and inland water figures that are combined using simple calculations to arrive at total inland area.

Please also do not accuse other editors without proof. See WP:DV and WP:GOODFAITH. Wizmut (talk) 04:52, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

We should stick to sources like The United Nations, Britannica, World Atlas, CIA Fact-book, World Bank for calculating Total area of countries. For years these sources have been used on this page to determine the size of countries. No sources you provide says that the United States Total area is 9,369,417. Where are the sources and links from these organizations highlighting that the United States is 9,369,417. Even the Census disputes your claim? I just want to make sure that accurate information is being represented without any kind of bias. The Encyclopedia Britannica Calculation is the most non bias. It provides citations which highlights that the United States total area without the inclusion of costal and territorial waters is 9,525,067. This can be a good consensus. [4] ZeusDragon2024 (talk) 05:48, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

Britannica is getting its figures from the Census, and doesn't disagree that the inland water is different from Great Lakes water.

inland water area equals 85,631 sq mi (221,783 sq km), and Great Lakes water area equals 60,093 sq mi (155,641 sq km).

We can use a simple calculation to add land and inland water to get total inland area. It's not a made-up definition. Are you saying that we should use a different definition for each country or not? Seems more likely to have bias in a situation where the definition can change depending on the country. Wizmut (talk) 06:06, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

Here is a link from the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration saying the Great Lakes are internal waters[5] scroll down until you see the internal waters page. It says “Examples of internal waters include rivers, canals, and lakes, including The Great Lakes.” ZeusDragon2024 (talk) 06:08, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

Your finding is very much appreciated. Reading further, that page links to another titled "The Great Lakes" which contains some interesting details:[6]

Under customary international law as reflected in the 1982 Law of the Sea Convention, they may be considered internal waters as they are landward of the baseline from which the breadth of the territorial sea is measured. However a number of U.S. federal court decisions have treated the Great Lakes as “high seas” for purposes of federal admiralty and maritime jurisdiction as well as for federal criminal jurisdiction.

So there is high-level disagreement about whether the Great Lakes are internal. I think, for now, we can leave the Great Lakes in, because if the federal government can't resolve the question then we editors probably can't either. You've won me over.

By the way, the UN's Law of the Sea Convention can be read here:[7] Part IV Section 8 contains the definition of internal water. Wizmut (talk) 06:31, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

Edit with potential intentional misinformation

This edit was made by a new editor who appears to have been introducing deliberate factual errors into geographical articles. I can't undo the edit due to later editing. Pinging User:Wizmut, who has made several recent edits to the page. Ed ^{[talk] [OMT]} 18:00, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

That edit was simply changing UAE to use the CIA source and re-sorting it, without changing any other values. The re-sorting makes it look like more changes were made.

I recently went over all the values, including the UAE entry. For that entry, I used official figures for display in the table, but also mentioned the CIA figure in the footnote. So I don't think that user's edit was bad but I found more detailed figures that probably deserve to be more prominent than the CIA's. Wizmut (talk) 18:47, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, Wizmut! Ed ^{[talk] [OMT]} 18:50, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 February 2024

The true surface of Uganda is not correct. If we consider World Bank collection of development indicators it has a surface of 241 550 sq km. So you should modify its position above Ghana, so Uganda will become 81th. 82.77.193.119 (talk) 20:47, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. EvergreenFir (talk) 21:02, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

Liquid water

Could the description be updated to clarify that ice and as frozen water is not included in the figures? 144.6.37.169 (talk) 02:51, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

Good question. I'm not sure how to word it, though. Frozen lakes and rivers still count as water area, while glaciers and snow cover count as land. --Lasunncty (talk) 07:41, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

That is a good point. 71.57.118.5 (talk) 17:06, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

Kingdom of Denmark

The Kingdom of Denmark is shown with all territories separately, according to Wikipedia, Denmark (Denmark proper) is a constituent country of the Kingdom of Denmark, which is a unitary sovereign state, just like the United Kingdom, so this constitutional monarchy should be assigned a number rank, not Denmark proper ThePurgatori (talk) 03:20, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for creating this topic.

The ISO 3166-1 has been used on most all wikipedia country lists to determine whether a region is a sovereign or a dependency, or merely integral. For Denmark, this means identifying metropolitan Denmark as the sovereign and Greenland as a dependent territory. It is useful to defer to a reliable standards organization rather than decide for each country for each list.

Without a standard, there would arguments about whether or not to include the European Union and other unions, UK constituent countries, French overseas departments, autonomous regions of various states... a lot of arguments have come up with no other way to end them. Wizmut (talk) 03:31, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for replying me, but the Kingdom of Denmark is actually a royal state, so it will get numbered 12th while Denmark which is the metropolitan part of the royal state gets unnumbered, because it's a part of the royal state. Also the royal state shares the DK code. And the change is like in the Swedish Wikipedia.ThePurgatori (talk) 01:58, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

So why do we all learn that Denmark is in Europe sitting north of Germany?? Georgia guy (talk) 15:33, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

A mixture of history, politics, and the general fuzziness of the English language. Greenland was only integrated in 1953. CMD (talk) 15:37, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

For a few years this list has treated the area in Europe north of Germany as Denmark. But now it's treating the Danish Realm as if it were the official country. Is Denmark in Europe or North America?? Georgia guy (talk) 15:42, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

That doesn't seem a particularly helpful question for the list. Is the USA in North America or Oceania? CMD (talk) 15:57, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

Both, but mostly North America. It is 97% in North America and 3% in Oceania; specifically Hawaii. Georgia guy (talk) 15:59, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

I assume you are speaking geographically. If you do that then you could argue the Kingdom of Denmark is geographically more in North America, however it's worth noting the population of Greenland is about 1% of the population of the metropole. CMD (talk) 16:06, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

Both, but generally European because of culture, despite being mostly in North America 76% in North America and 24% in Europe ThePurgatori (talk) 22:28, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

officially, Greenland is considered a part of the Kingdom of Denmark, but it has a degree of autonomy which was extended in 2009 ThePurgatori (talk) 22:33, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

But this is not a list of kingdoms by area. Anyone (not ThePurgatori) think it makes sense for this list to give #12 to Denmark?? Georgia guy (talk) 23:38, 17 June 2024 (UTC)

If it's just the ranking, I don't really have a strong opinion, but I do like deferring to the ISO 3166-1 when deciding what is or isn't a sovereign state. And the ISO says metropolitan Denmark is a sovereign, while it doesn't list the Kingdom. So based on that it makes more sense to list both, but give a number rank to metro Denmark only.

The ISO standard has been used for over a decade on WP country articles to settle narrow disagreements with no clear answer. Let's continue to use it in order to discover a good consensus. Wizmut (talk) 00:18, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

@Wizmut I am sure you have a formal point. However, Greenland is bigger than Saudi Arabia, which currently is ranked 12. To me it would make sense to say that Greenland is number 12 or to say that the Kingdom of Denmark is number 12. Leaving SA no 13 etc... Now the people living in Greenland are just ignored. 2001:2042:392C:CD00:DBB5:F6F0:967A:B84B (talk) 08:33, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

Norway

Why doesn't Norway have a rank? woo (talk) 05:41, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

There are two entries for Norway. The mainland entry is not ranked. Wizmut (talk) 06:45, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

Antarctic claims

The various Territorial claims in Antarctica have usually not been included in WP country lists because they aren't recognized much by other countries and the ISO 3166-1 doesn't even recognize them as dependencies. It's not really held territory in any practical or political sense. "Claim" is the real word for these, not territory, and this list doesn't include mere claims. Wizmut (talk) 03:51, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Latest changes

this last changes we're do by GeorgiaGuy

The Kingdom of Denmark gets a number rank because it is a sovereign state according to Wikipedia. So, it will stay ranked, but not Metropolitan Denmark, because it's a part of the Kingdom of Denmark. ThePurgatori (talk) 15:23, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

also, the Kingdom of Denmark ISO 3166 code is within DK. That's how it looks like in the Swedish Wikipedia. Also, the Kingdom of Denmark is generally European because of it's culture and history. ThePurgatori (talk) 15:26, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

> also, the Kingdom of Denmark ISO 3166 code is within DK.

Can you clarify? There's a long standing consensus of leaving the ranks up to the ISO 3166-1's list of independent states. So dependencies (such as Greenland) are not ranked. If Greenland were really integral, it wouldn't be listed at all.

On the issue of whether Denmark is a country only in Europe or whether it's a multi-continent Kingdom, well, both are true at the same time. That's issues like these are usually deferred to standards like the ISO's, as it rules out a lot of very near arguments.

The other two points don't seem as relevant. Other wikis will have their own standards, we need to use reliable sources and consensus established here. And this is the general list, not the Europe list. Wizmut (talk) 15:34, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

ok, i pretend this is the general list. sorry for saying this is the European list ThePurgatori (talk) 15:43, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

Why does everyone who hears the word "Denmark" think of Europe and not North America?? What continent is Denmark really in?? Georgia guy (talk) 16:15, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

the Kingdom of Denmark is considered to be both continets, Europe and North America. ThePurgatori (talk) 16:20, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

So why do we always learn it is just in Europe?? Georgia guy (talk) 16:28, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

There's a distinction to be made between metropolitan Denmark and the Kingdom of Denmark, just as there's a difference between metropolitan France and all integral parts of France - which includes some outlying islands in the Caribbean and Africa.

Oddly enough the ISO 3166-1 treats these cases as different, and to be sure there are differences. But it's going to be a close decision for all of these, especially for something as arbitrary as ranking. I would favor giving ranks only to those locations that are listed as 'independent' on the ISO's list. It's an outside standard that rarely changes.

And of course, the notes column should be used to provide as much clarification as possible, so some of ThePurgatori's notes should probably stay in, and perhaps added to. Wizmut (talk) 16:36, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

Phillippines

It seems weird that Phillippines' total area in km^2 is just the triple of that in mi^2 45.146.232.57 (talk) 17:46, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

This occurs because there's a low number of significant figures. Wizmut (talk) 19:02, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Car bigger than South Sudan

Car is bigger than South Sudan 47.153.31.2 (talk) 01:31, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

Area. North versus South

13 span the equator. I've included all of (Brazil, Congo DR, Congo R, Ecuador, Gabon, Indonesia) in the South, and all of (Colombia, Kenya, Kiribati, Maldives, São Tomé and Príncipe, Somalia, Uganda) in the North.

Total area is 150,055,928 km²

North is 100,867,518 km² = 67.22%

South is 49,188,410 km² = 32.78%

I’ve used the areas from this article (at Sep 2023) except I've adjusted USA.

I can’t figure out how to get the sum closer to the stated area for land of 148.94 million km².

Probably several of the areas of the top countries are inflated.

I’ve used the 195 countries listed (at Sep 2023) with;

9,596,961 km² China

9,572,900 km² United States

And added;

. 2,166,086 km² Greenland

14,200,000 km² Antarctica

. . . .36,193 km² Taiwan.

MBG02 (talk) 07:36, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

Total area at 18 June 2024 adds to 150,048,771 km²

for the 195 countries numbered, plus Greenland, Antarctica, Taiwan

9,525,067 km² United States (currently listed value).

Note:

Total “land” is cited as 148,940,000 km²

Total water (for the same 198) adds to 4,215,955 km².

MBG02 (talk) 11:51, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

Africa. North, South.

I did the same for Africa because the AI bots gave stupid answers. 54 countries in Africa. 7 span the equator.

I've included all of (Congo DR, Congo R, Gabon) in the South, and all of (Kenya, São Tomé and Príncipe, Somalia, Uganda) in the North.

Total Area is 30,060,210 km²

North is 20,775,486 km² = 69.11%.

South is 9,284,724 km² = 30.89%.

MBG02 (talk) 07:46, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 June 2024

statstics = statistics 2603:8000:D300:3650:7DF4:F5F4:69E5:4CB6 (talk) 22:06, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

 Done Peaceray (talk) 23:12, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Crown Dependencies

Isle of Man, jersey and guernsey all have a link to UK in the table.

Which is quite misleading as they are actually not part of the UK. Luc MRS (talk) 20:55, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

A dependent territory is not part of the country it is dependent on. Wizmut (talk) 21:28, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

Still, would it not be better to link to Crown Dependencies rather than the UK? Peaceray (talk) 21:39, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

Well the ISO 3166-1 says they're a dependency of the UK, not of the Crown Dependencies. There's a long-standing consensus to have all country lists follow more or less the same standards and to defer to the ISO on details that aren't the special subject matter of the list. So this list uses its own definition of 'population', but not of country or dependency, or any other topic that's relevant to every country list.

The parenthesis themselves really just indicate that it's a dependency, and what other entity on the list 'controls' them (in whatever sense the ISO has determined). This tells the reader why it's not ranked or included in another entry, and it probably doesn't need to be any more than that. Using the ISO's data point as this indicator settles the tertiary issue of how best to indicate that the entry is unusual in some way. Wizmut (talk) 21:53, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

well ISO 3166-2:IM says:

The Isle of Man, a British crown dependency, has been officially assigned the ISO 3166-1 alpha-2 code IM since 2006. Previously it was assigned the ISO 3166-2 code GB-IOM under the entry for the United Kingdom.

They are indeed a dependency, just not to the UK, as far as I understand. Luc MRS (talk) 10:20, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

A few territories have separate ISO codes. Putting (UK) is a reasonable shorthand, and if readers want more details on the precise relationship of each territory here to its sovereign state that is available on their various pages. CMD (talk) 11:06, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 August 2024

I would like to change the table that says the Philippines is 100,000 sq miles to say it is 115,831 square miles. This is corroborated on other pages, like the Geography of the Philippines page, and on this page. It says that the square land mileage is 115,120 square miles and the square water mileage is 707 square miles, which is much closer to 115,831 than to 100,000. Moopmops (talk) 18:34, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

Not done for now This appears to be a problem with the templates used.

• The List of countries and dependencies by area#Countries and dependencies by area table uses {{km2 mi2}}

Code: {{km2 mi2|300000}}

Result: 300,000 (100,000)

• The Geography of the Philippines lead uses {{convert}}

Code: {{convert|300000|km2|sp=us|0}}

Result: 300,000 square kilometers (115,831 sq mi)

This is a discrepancy that I think must be resolved with the templates. I will determine the proper place to open the discussion. Peaceray (talk) 19:19, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

Discussion at Template talk:Km2 mi2

 You are invited to join the discussion at Template talk:Km2 mi2#Discrepancy between Template:Km2 mi2 & Template:Convert. Peaceray (talk) 21:02, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

Closing edit request, since it appears to have been on the wrong page. PianoDan (talk) 22:54, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

Abkhazia is occupied territory by Russia

Abkhazia is occupied territory by Russia and it is not recognised as a country by UN. This should not be displayed separately but under Georgian flag on the list. 80.46.152.34 (talk) 05:39, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

Abkhazia is a state with limited recognition. Wizmut (talk) 06:29, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

The area of Bulgaria is wrong

Its territory covers an area of 110,994 square kilometres (42,855 sq mi), the information in this page is wrong and must be changed. I'm genuienly curious why the land area of Bulgaria was made smaller? Dwartbg (talk) 12:20, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

As the table says in the footnote column, the data for Bulgaria are from the CIA World Factbook.[8]. There are other figures available from other sources, including the UN FAO, which gives 111,000 km2 total area and 108,560 km2 land area,[9] or the UN Statistics Division, which gives 110,372 km2 total area,[10] or the Bulgarian National Statistical Institute, which gives 110,997 km2 total area.[11]

This table prefers sources that have all three figures (total, land and water). And it prefers to use the two most comprehensive sources, either the CIA Factbook or the United Nations. The UN is preferred when its two departments agree, while the CIA source is used when they disagree, which is about half the time. For a few entries, the government of that location has more detailed and plausible figures, so their numbers are used instead. In cases where it's uncertain which number is the most reliable, the footnote for that entry may quote additional numbers.

Any change to the figures should have a reliable source that quotes all three figures in the table (or at least land and total, from which water can be derived). A reliable source that only quotes the total may be mentioned in the footnote. Wizmut (talk) 16:41, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

EU by logic

Hi! If there's Kingdom of Denmark, and then Denmark (mainland Europe) and then Greenland and wait because it seems there's a "country" named Antarctica but even "Earth" why can't EU, an entity itself more similar to a country than these last two examples (Antarctica and Earth) be unranked but listed for comparison purposes like the others? As for the other entities that have fewer "country attributes" than EU, I can understand to not be on the list, but the EU? By these assumptions, EU is listed on similar lists, and other Wikipedias are doing the same, why not in English? Manlleus (talk) 10:04, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

Oppose, because it's not a country and not a sovereign state listed in the ISO 3166-1. There are a lot of international organizations. I've seen a bunch added to some country lists in the past, and it ends up being a whole lot of non-countries crowding the top spots.

I would also favor removing 'Kingdom of Denmark' and move mention of it to a footnote in the Denmark entry. Antarctica is also sketchy but it's of peculiar interest for this list, and keeps the conflicting Antarctic claims away. Wizmut (talk) 21:43, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

EU has more in common to a country than Antarctica, and second, EU has same peculiar interest for people as we see in economy lists too, hard to defend a specific opposition despite ISO and laws and the rest of nomenclature without keeping an exception to "selective" articles. I think Kingdom of Denmark shouldnt be excluded, but mainland Denmark and Greenland because despite ISO, there aren't two equally named countries, just different entities and EU is quite an example of it, if the list can't manage these, is incomplete. I think in the long run, EU may be it included, unranked but listed for comparable reasons. Just an opinion Manlleus (talk) 23:48, 5 September 2024 (UTC)