Talk:Levmetamfetamine

Statement

Methamphetamine

These are the exact same structure. The 3d meth should be reversed on one of these. I guess the question is, which one. Alphaquad 16:46, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

I have canged the name to the more accurate name

Dubious

Resolved

 – they meant, "effects"

I don't know what the original editor meant by "mimicks," but I doubt it was that word. ←Ben^B4 03:17, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

I was the original editor of the article. Levo-methamphetamine IS a sympathomimetic, which means it mimics the sympathetic nervous system, but "effects" could also be used. It does not really make much of a difference I assume. Thanks for cleaning up the article guys, as I put some effort into working on it and putting more detailed information (from a stub to an article.) :D

-- John Cho 11:00, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

As far as the manufacturing of L-methamphetamine into D-methamphetamine goes, I don't believe this to be a practical method of producing street-grade methamphetamine.. The chemistry involved is unnecessarily overly complexed in that it would take far more effect to get the molecule to flip than it would to make meth via the traditional method.. Im not saying that it can't be done however I dont believe it should be included in the wiki-article..

--Weebl8bob —Preceding unsigned comment added by Weebl8bob (talk • contribs) 02:27, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

According to a recent EMCDDA and Europol publication, the manufacturing of L-methamphetamine into D-methamphetamine is happening. "llicit drug producers in Europe have introduced new methods to reconvert these discarded solutions back to a racemic 50:50 mixture of d- and l-methamphetamine, from which the d-methamphetamine can be separated using tartaric acid." [1] Muskimolen (talk) 12:03, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

Should we change the subheading "Recreational use" to "Potential for abuse"??

The material in the paragraph under the heading "recreational use" reads too much like advice from Alt.Drugs.Hard if you ask me. I'd like to see some of the specific instructions and eager descriptions of the purported side effects to be tightened up. As it reads now, it seems to be suggestions there are few, if any, negative effects for tweakers looking for a cheap high who buy themselves a bunch of Vicks inhalers and then swallow the cotton. My guess would be they'd have a nasty bout of nausea and vomiting. I've used the inhalers as intended and I gotta tell ya, fresh out of the package, if you inhale more than you should, you can give yourself nosebleed. I wouldn't think swallowing those cotton inserts dripping with fresh camphor, menthol, lavendar oil and methyl salicylate would be very nice to a person's tummy!

So, any thoughts on the subheading's name and contents? I'm open to all views.LiPollis (talk) 22:38, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

No. It has been established time and time again that "abuse" is POV and "Recreational use", "Non-medical use", etc. are much better terms as far as accuracy and neutrality goes. But, it looks like the section has ceased to exist anyway. Perhaps, if valid enough, it should be readded for the sake of Universal coverage.--Metalhead94 (talk) 18:05, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

But levomethamphetamine is not recreational. C6541 (T↔C) 19:19, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

That may just be your POV. I have no doubt that any chemical with even mild stimulating properties would be used recreationally. As such, I believe the section should be revived, provided some refs are found.--Metalhead94 ^{T C} 13:27, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Drug test

Hi my question is using a Vicks inhaler is it possible to show a bad urane test for amphetamines ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.209.86.203 (talk) 18:38, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

Depending on the testing procedure used, the answer is... maybe. I use this product and keep a copy of the ingredients in my personnel file in the event I am ever spot-tested and come up positive. My human resources director at a previous company, who is an RN, told me that yes, some urine tests will show positive for Amphetamine if you have used the inhaler relatively recently before the test. This is anecdotal, of course, and I'm still looking for some reputable source to quote in the article, but if I were a person using this OTC product, I'd look at the chemical structure and ask myself, gee, why did Vicks change the name of the active ingredient if there weren't some possible negative associations? Vicks calls it "Levmetafetamine" which is just enough different to sound less scary, no? My advice would be to Just print out the ingredient page from Vicks and give that to your tester if you used it the day you test.LiPollis (talk) 17:46, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

Physical description?

The article currently lacks any sort of physical description of the chemical. Is it a solid, liquid or gas? Is it colorless, white, blue, green, whatever? If it's a solid, is it a powder, crystal, or glassy, amorphous mass? This kind of basic stuff is usually present on a Material Safety Data Sheet (MSDS).—Quicksilver^{T @} 09:00, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Vicks Inhaler doesn't contain this stuff!

I dispute the claim in this article that the Vicks Vapour Inhaler contains levomethamphetamine: I have a Vicks Vapour Inhaler, purchased in Canada, and in the "medicinal ingredients" listing right on the package, there is camphor, 41.53%, and menthol, 41.53%. There are no other substances listed. Is there some sort of local difference in the formula for these? This should be clarified or the statement removed. 24.222.87.186 (talk) 19:12, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

Yes, I have purchased foreign versions of the Vicks Inhaler via Amazon, trying to save money and nowhere on the package does it list Levmetamfetamine. It also works for crap compared to the US version that does contain it. In other words, I got screwed. perhaps the reason the product is $5 in the USA and less than $2 each elsewhere is this missing ingredient.If you compare photos of the products, even the packaging is different. In the USA, the Product is called Vicks VapoInhaler and says right on the front that it contains "Levmetamfetamine...Nasal Decongestant." If you package doesn't say that, it likely doesn't.LiPollis (talk) 17:51, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

United States formulations of Vicks Vapoinhaler contain Levomethamphetamine 50mg per inhaler referred to as Levmetamfetamine.User:Robert Hayes

U.S also sells Benzedrex Vapoinhaler whick contains Cyclohexadrine(Dimethylcyclohexamine) 250mg per inhaler.User:Robert Hayes — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:5B0:23FF:1EF0:0:0:0:3D (talk) 19:54, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

The OTC form doesn't have Levmethamfetamine unlike the prescription form witch contains it — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.97.253.174 (talk) 16:17, 16 May 2017 (UTC)

Experienced users and abusers

I think that whoever used the study published in Nature about participants liking the drug was trying to be nice or neutral by calling the participants "experienced users" rather than the study's term, "abusers". I have no wish to condemn anyone, it is just that calling the participants "experienced users" is not accurate enough, in my opinion. My definition of "experienced users" would include people who need to take a drug on a regular basis for a chronic condition. These people have the potential to become abusers, but they should not be confused with abusers, for legal, moral and scientific reasons. People who need to take an addictive medication on a long-term basis can develop a tolerance, just like abusers, but as long as they take the medication appropriately, treating their condition rather than trying to get high, they are not drug abusers, even if their dosages and tolerances are high. In addition, as far as I know, there is no evidence that the results of such a study would be similar if the participants were legitimate, long-term users under the care of a physician rather than abusers. I believe that the person who made this contribution did not intend any of this confusion, and I welcome any future contributions that he or she might make (I did not check the article's history to track down the editor and determine gender). If you want to contact me for some reason, please leave a message on my personal talk page, rather than just posting a reply on this talk page. -- Kjkolb (talk) 03:15, 21 September 2014 (UTC)

Propose name change

• The USAN and INN name for this compound is now Levmetamfetamine; as there have already been some comments/misunderstanding about the variance of the name on packaging using the INN would help to make this clearer. Also, it seems to be standard practice to use the INN (where available) as the Wikipedia article title in almost all cases. --The chemistds (talk) 10:37, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

  It has been (close to exactly!; wow!) 8 years since you posted this. However, I concur. Levmetamfetamine is a different beast from racemic methamphetamine (despite being in it) or dextromethamphetamine. 2013creek (talk) 11:12, 10 August 2023 (UTC)

  Reading the edit history, it was moved but then moved back. It seems like the argument is methamphetamine is more commonly used than metamfetamine. I disagree as levmetamfetamine is different from methamphetamine despite being the "left hand" of the same chemical.

If someone told you that they were using meth (methamphetamine), you wouldn't think that they were using a vapor inhaler. 2013creek (talk) 11:15, 10 August 2023 (UTC)

L-enantiomer versus l-enantiomer

I think it is very confusing to refer to this as the "L-enantiomer" of methamphetamine. Uppercase L refers to the D/L system, not to the dextro/levo system. See Absolute configurationSbreheny (talk) 03:28, 14 February 2016 (UTC)

Requested move 29 July 2024

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. Moved as an uncontested request with minimal participation. If there is any objection within a reasonable time frame, please ask me to reopen the discussion; if I am not available, please ask at the technical requests page. (non-admin closure) Waqar💬 14:52, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

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Levomethamphetamine → Levmetamfetamine – Levmetamfetmaine is the I.N.N., it's the term used by both the Food and Drug Administration and the Drug Enforcement Administration (the two regulatory bodies that involved in its therapeutic regulation in the only country it is marketed in, the United States), and it's also the term used by United States Pharmacopeia (which produces the reference standards used for evaluating the purity of levmetamfetamine therapeutics and USP listings are explicitly recognized by law in the United States) Irruptive Creditor (talk) 03:48, 29 July 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Polyamorph (talk) 11:46, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

Support per nom. (The ngram may also be useful here?) 122141510 (talk) 16:06, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

Relisting comment: Relisting to allow for broader consensus, given the previous move history Polyamorph (talk) 11:46, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

I believe you’re jumping the gun here, this hasn’t been delisted that I know of. Irruptive Creditor (talk) 16:18, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.