Talk:Lee Soo-man

Produced...

Leave it or take it off? SKS2K6 07:00, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Seems relevant. -- Visviva 12:47, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Criminal allegations

I've removed some unsourced allegations, per WP:BLP. Please do not add it back until a reliable source for these allegations can be cited! --Hamuhamu (talk) 08:24, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Production credits & formatting

At present, do we have sources that say Lee produced every single SM Entertainment artist? Does he have actual production credits for at least one song or album by each of them? (I'm guessing this is 'yes,' but...) If not, all we're doing on this page is creating a list of SM Entertainment artists, which is already done at SM Entertainment, and we could be misleading people. Also, if he does indeed produce every single SM artist, then it might not really necessary to list them all out. A point toward the SM article could suffice. I suggest we not add anyone else to the list on this page until we have confirmation Lee actually produced for them, but that's just a suggestion. Other artist-specific articles DO use this one as a source that Lee has produced their artist/album/song, though - just something to consider.

Also, has Lee ever produced any non-SM artists? Perhaps from before SM Entertainment was founded, or maybe he did some producing of his own stuff during his singing days? I have no idea but it's worth looking into. :)

Secondly, it's not necessary or accurate to put solo artists with their former or future groups within the list. Example - Lee produced Dana as Dana, a solo artist. He also produced The Grace, as a group. Putting Dana's name indented under The Grace's is unnecessary, because his production of one was done independently of production of the other - the two projects weren't related. Additionally, and more importantly, it's actually unintentionally confusing. It might make the reader think...why is only one member of The Grace listed as a production credit? What's that mean? He's only involved with Dana and not the other members? or something of that nature. If someone wants to know more about Dana, they'll follow the wikilink to her article, and there they'll learn that she is now a member of the Grace. If they don't click, then they don't care, and it in no way diminishes their understanding of Lee Soo-man. This page shouldn't become a repository for information on various SM artists, it's an article about Lee himself. So try to avoid the temptation to add more detail just because the detail exists (I fall prey to the same temptation often!). Make it relevant and necessary to the understandability of the article at hand. :)

Also, this article needs some expansion like whoa. Anyone have any sources besides the Time article in the external links? I mean, his notability in Korea is through the roof. Come on, let's give Lee some love. --hamu♥hamu (talk) 13:12, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Someone help please; this is urgent

Someone please read this and fast. I need help. I found a disturbing video on Youtube about Lee Soo Man's mistreatment of TVXQ & other groups and singers that work under SM Entertainment, and that BoA is a witch, and that he threatned and beat the crap out of the members of TVXQ and threatened to split them up and that he nearly killed them a few times. Here's the link. http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=gHQwxu4emZc

I want someone to tell me if any of it is true or not. BUT! I really REALLY hope that NONE of this is true. I don't want BoA to be a witch or DBSK getting the crap beaten out of them or threats being made to them or LSM nearly killing them to be true or even happen EVER. Someone please help me get proof of this. I really hope that these are rumours and lies. Look at the description box and read all the stuff on the video before replying please. Again, I really need your help, everyone. Thanks.

UPDATE: The person who made the vid gave me a link on where she got the info: http://asianfanatics.net/forum/lofiversion/index.php/t298666.html

Please read and tell me what you guys think. Thanks.

~Garfield Turtle Anime~ (talk) 03:46, 10 November 2008 (UTC) Hajiru

I'm not sure if it's true. There have always been rumours regarding LSM/SM Entertainment and their treatment of artists, but none of the allegations have been proven. I wouldn't really believe a YouTube video, though. (I'm not sure how exactly this is relevant to the page, but if you're thinking about including it on the page, it wouldn't be allowable unless you had a legitimate source.) SKS2K6 (talk) 16:20, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

I understand. I'm not adding it to the page.

Thanks for the info. :D

~Garfield Turtle Anime~ (talk) 01:50, 11 November 2008 (UTC) Hajiru

Requested move 23 December 2013

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was no consensus. --BDD (talk) 18:43, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

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Lee Soo-man → Soo-man Lee – Korean names are usually <family name> <given name(s)> but on most (if not all) of the musical releases he's on, he's credited as Soo-man Lee, not Lee Soo-man. It seems he prefers this name order. Relisted Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 08:39, 1 January 2014 (UTC) Raykyogrou0 (Talk) 15:53, 23 December 2013 (UTC)

• Oppose per English sources and WP:Naming conventions (Korean). Korean wave - Page 293 "This is why Lee Soo-man, the founder and producer of SM Entertainment, has a somewhat gloomy outlook regarding the future of the Korean Wave. " - Korean pop music: riding the wave - Page 95 "together in 1996 by Lee Soo Man, a graduate of Seoul National University and a product of the campus-led song movement." In ictu oculi (talk) 01:01, 24 December 2013 (UTC)
  • Re I'm sorry, I thought I was clear. I meant, his name appears as "Soo-man Lee" in all of the liner notes of various album releases. Raykyogrou0 (Talk) 03:00, 24 December 2013 (UTC)

Those wouldn't pass WP:RS In ictu oculi (talk) 09:30, 24 December 2013 (UTC)

Please, do elaborate on how the liner notes booklet included with the actual physical album is not reliable. Raykyogrou0 (Talk) 12:02, 24 December 2013 (UTC)

Please read WP:RS. In ictu oculi (talk) 02:25, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

Your point being what exactly? Liner notes are commonly used in the "credits" or "personnel" sections of albums. Raykyogrou0 (Talk) 08:10, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

The point is that the liner notes are by the artist or himself someone closely connected. In ictu oculi (talk) 16:16, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

In this case, the liner notes are by the label. He serves as the executive producer, he obviously has some influence over how his name appears in these publishings. A primary source is perfectly acceptable to use (as long as there's no additional interpretation, etc.) Raykyogrou0 (Talk) 17:01, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

• Oppose per WP:Naming conventions (Korean). The subject does not have a strong presence in an English-speaking country so Wikipedia's house style manual for Koreans should apply. According to User:In ictu oculi (above), this form is also supported by sources. —  AjaxSmack  21:56, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

Re: "Unless the subject is known to prefer otherwise..."--doesn't his name being listed as Soo-man Lee on several albums' liner notes where he serves as the executive producer justify that? Raykyogrou0 (Talk) 14:44, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

In a perfect world, yes. However, the case in areas where the Latin alphabet is not native is that you can get multiple "official" spellings of many subjects' names. The fact is that these "names" are often more for decorative purposes than a serious assertion of identity in the Latin alphabet. (Think of ВОRДТ in English). This is why, as is prescribed by Wikipedia policy in WP:SECONDARY, we should place an emphasis on secondary sources. —  AjaxSmack  18:51, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

Actually, more than half of the subjects in the liner notes are written in hangul. For example, on a certain album's liner notes it says:

• Executive producer: S.M. Entertainment
• Producer: Soo-man Lee
• Chief director of production & management: <hangul>
• A&R Direction: <hangul>
• Mastered by: <hangul> at Sonic Korea
• English supervised by: John H. Lee
• Choreography: Lisette Bustamante, Beat Burger (<hangul>)
• Executive supervisor: Young-min Kim

Raykyogrou0 (Talk) 08:25, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Lee Soo-Man Updates Requested by Company

Hello, I am an employee under SM Entertainment and I have been asked by the company to update Lee Soo-Man's page with the following edits/updates. They were provided directly by the company and I need them to be approved so they can be added immediately, thank you.

INTRODUCTION

Lee Soo-man (born 18 June 1952) is a South Korean record producer and best known as the founder of SM Entertainment, a multinational entertainment company based in Seoul, South Korea. He has also been referred to as the "president of culture", as he pioneered the Korean Wave. Lee has received an Order of Cultural Merit, the highest honor from the Korean Popular Culture and Arts Awards, along with the Asia Game-Changer Award by New York’s Asia Society for having steered the music industry’s development and growth into the massive, multi-billion dollar juggernaut it is today.

Lee was born during the Korean War in 1952 and debuted as a folk singer in 1971 while he was a student at Seoul National University. In the early ‘80s, he went on to study computer engineering in Los Angeles and later that decade, he founded SM Entertainment in 1989, which became one of the largest record labels and management companies in South Korea.

Lee has achieved record-breaking success after success via SM's signature “Culture Technology,” a widely studied and emulated system of innovation in cultural production and global export. Combined with Lee’s artistic sensibilities and hands-on experience as a producer, Culture Technology has powered everything from H.O.T.’s industry-defining smashes of the late ‘90s to SuperM’s instant rise to #1 on the Billboard Top 200 within.

CAREER OVERVIEW

• 1989: Founded SM Studio, Seoul
• 1995: Founded SM Entertainment, Seoul
• 2000: SM Entertainment listed on KOSDAQ
  • First entertainment company to IPO in Korea
• 2001: Founded SM Entertainment Japan, Tokyo
• 2005: Founded SM Entertainment China, Beijing
• 2008: Founded SM Entertainment USA, Los Angeles
• 2011: Founded SM True, Bangkok
  • SM Entertainment’s first overseas joint venture
• 2012: Launched Dream Maker Entertainment, Hong Kong
  • Global concert production and promotion agency
• 2020: Established Beyond Live Corporation, Seoul
  • Online interactive concert platform
  • Produced the world’s first ticketed “untact” AR online concert

SOCIAL CAUSES

• Global Citizen, “Global Goal Live: The Possible Dream,” 2021
  • Chief director and executive producer, Asia
  • SM Entertainment and Dream Maker Entertainment selected to host concert in Seoul and represent Asia for the biggest social cause event in history
• UNICEF, SMile For U Campaign, 2016-2022
  • Supporting children, parents, childcare workers, and educators in Asian regions to receive quality music education
  • Target areas include Hanoi, Da Nang, Kon Tum, Gia Lai, and Dien Bien (Vietnam)
• SMile Social Service Corp., SM Entertainment, 2014-present
  • Monthly and daily events for volunteer activities among SM Entertainment staff and artists
  • Activities include infant care, support for impaired youth, abandoned animal care, tree planting, and more
  • Continuously developing and increasing participant numbers: up from 130 in its first year to 462 participants in 2019
• Korean Red Cross, disaster relief, 2014
  • Personal donation for the victims of the Sewol Ferry incident, one of the gravest tragedies in South Korean history

PRODUCER HIGHLIGHTS

Soo-Man Lee is the executive and creative producer responsible for hundreds of albums, scores of domestic and global #1 hits, and dozens of record-breaking recording artists. An abridged highlight reel includes:

H.O.T. (1996)

• Sold over 1 million copies for four consecutive albums
• First Korean group to play a sold-out stadium show in Seoul (72,000 attendees)
• Widely recognized as first K-pop group and the cause of modern K-pop fan culture
• First group created by what is now known as Soo-Man Lee’s “Culture Technology” system at the heart of the K-pop industry

S.E.S. (1997)

• Held record for highest career album sales of a Korean female artist for more than two decades (not counting SM labelmates BoA and Girls’ Generation’s Japanese market sales)
• Widely recognized as the first K-pop girl group, and early instigators of the “Korean Wave” after becoming the Korean girl group with the largest fan clubs in Japan and Taiwan
• Alongside H.O.T., the first and only K-pop artists to share the stage with Michael Jackson

SHINHWA (1998)

• Known as early instigators of the “Korean Wave” for achieving 5 million physical album sales worldwide and being the first Korean idols to stage an Asian tour
• First K-pop artists invited to perform a peace concert in North Korea
• The longest-running K-pop group in history

BoA (2000)

• Six consecutive #1 albums in Japan, becoming the first artist to open the Japanese market to the Korean industry

TVXQ! (2003)

• First Korean boy band to break the Japanese market, with market sales of over 9.5 million physical albums
• Global career sales of over 14 million physical albums
• Remains the most successful Korean act in the Japanese market nearly 20 years since debut

Super Junior (2005)

• First truly global K-pop hit with 2009’s “Sorry Sorry”
• First K-pop artist to enter Billboard’s Latin Songs chart with 2018’s “Lo Siento”
• Continues to sell out arenas and stadiums throughout Asia and the Americas more than 15 years since debut
• No.1 on Taiwan’s music site, KKBOX, for 150 consecutive weeks

Girls’ Generation (2007)

• Most popular Korean song of the decade with 2009’s “Gee”
• Most awarded and popular girl group in Asian market history
• Breakout star Taeyeon continues to be one of Korea’s most successful artists

SHINee (2008)

• One of the few international artists capable of regularly selling out stadium tours throughout the Japanese market
• Featured on both Rolling Stone’s “75 Greatest Boy Band Songs of All Time” and Billboard’s “100 Greatest Boy Band Songs of All Time”
• Renowned for continually setting the trend in fashion and pop music in Korea, from debut to present

f(x) (2009)

• One of the earliest and to date most acclaimed K-pop artists in global media, with rave reviews from Pitchfork, VICE, SPIN, Billboard and more
• First-ever K-pop idols to be invited to showcase at SXSW, and only idols to be featured in Korean critics’ definitive list of “Top 100 Korean Classic Albums”

EXO (2012)

• Debut album became the first release in more than a decade to record over 1 million Korean sales, with career sales over 12 million album units and counting
• Remains the most successful Korean act in the Chinese market more than 8 years since debut
• Breakout star Baekhyun this year became the first Korean artist since 2000 to achieve a million-selling album as a solo artist

Red Velvet (2014)

• The first female Asian artists to have four #1s on the Billboard World Albums Chart

NCT (2016)

• Multiple NCT units now achieving over 1 million album sales per release

WayV (2019)

• Beijing-based mainland Chinese boy band
• Multiple #1 hits in mainland Chinese market to date, as well as the Chinese boy band with the most simultaneous iTunes #1 chart positions globally and most number one spots in Chinese boy group history
• Mnet Asian Music Awards’ “Best New Asian Artist” of 2019

SuperM (2019)

• Supergroup boy band featuring 7 of SM’s biggest stars, produced by Soo-Man Lee at the request of Capitol Records for the American market
• Fastest artists to ever reach #1 on the Billboard Top 200 albums chart, within just weeks of their announcement
• Sold out 13-date debut tour in arenas and stadiums throughout North America, Latin America, and Europe

Smtownusa (talk) 01:12, 20 November 2020 (UTC)

You still need to properly source all this information. It is mostly a resume and full of promotional content and fluff. It isn't acceptable for an encylopedia. Evaders99 (talk) 05:33, 20 November 2020 (UTC)

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