Talk:Laurent-Désiré Kabila

advance fee fraud box

Should the warning on advance fee fraud be made into a template and placed on other relevant pages such as Sani Abacha? — ciphergoth 08:49, July 27, 2005 (UTC)

No — it was a bad idea to begin with. Fradulent e-mails can mention anybody. If advance fee fraud e-mails circulated with Condoleezza Rice or Nelson Mandela as the subject instead of Kabila, would you place the purple box on top of their articles, too? Please remove it. --Ardonik.talk()^* 08:58, July 27, 2005 (UTC)

The purple box wasn't my idea, but another Wikipedia user; see the revisions before mine. I just tidied it. — ciphergoth 17:42, July 27, 2005 (UTC)

The box was signed by User:Jimbo Wales, the founder of Wikipedia, which is why it has stayed up so long. From its wording, I had assumed that there was a spam email somewhere that explicitly mentioned the Wikipedia article, rather than a general reference to Kabila. I have no idea if the spam is no longer in circulation. - BanyanTree 20:09, 27 July 2005 (UTC)

Even if the box was Jimbo's idea, I still think it's a bad one that needlessly detracts from the article. If a spam e-mail that referenced this page was the impetus for adding the warning, I'd certainly like to see the message myself (and add it to BJAODN.) --Ardonik.talk()^* 04:31, July 28, 2005 (UTC)

After doing a google search excluding wikipedia.org sites, and finding nothing but mirrors repeating the tag, I'm removed it. - BanyanTree 13:15, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

Thank you for doing this. For posterity's sake, this was the box that we were talking about:

Warning: this name appears in some e-mail spam which asks for help moving a large sum of money. The money does not exist; the sender is a criminal who is trying to steal your money through advance fee fraud.

--Ardonik.talk()^* 16:47, July 28, 2005 (UTC)

At the risk of beating a dead horse, the original box until recently was:

Note: if you came to this web page after seeing it in a SPAM email, please be advised that (a) we have nothing to do with that spam and (b) the person who sent you the message is a criminal who is trying to steal your money. We recommend that you report them to the appropriate authorities. Jimbo Wales 16:26, 23 Mar 2004 (UTC)

- BanyanTree 16:52, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

Patrice Lumumba (2 July 1925 – 17 January 1961) is a glaring omission from this article. History: President Joseph Kasa-Vubu (c. 1915 – 24 March 1969) was a dictator leader of the Congo that Patrice eventually replaced. Patrice Lumumba was democratically elected and well-loved by the people of Congo, leader. He was assassinated in a Western-sponsored coup, and his former friend (then turned adversary) Mobutu Sese Seko (14 October 1930 – 7 September 1997), who was a dictator and helped assassinate Patrice Lumumba. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 38.15.238.229 (talk) 08:19, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

You may wish to edit this entry in List of Dictators. Wizzy…☎ 21:49, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

POV

I've tried to remove the rampant POV attacking Kabila's government. Ideally some specifics for the criticism should be provided. Even so, it seems extremely biased to suggest that Kabila could have constructed a corruption-free liberal democracy in the months before Rwanda attacked. It is a fact he didn't do so, but no objective account should frame the discussion in this way.--Jack Upland 02:02, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

"Lumumba was overthrown by Joseph Mobutu within months."

"When the Congo gained independence in 1960, Kabila was a youth leader in a party allied to Patrice Lumumba. Lumumba was overthrown by Joseph Mobutu within months. Kabila and other supporters of Lumumba fled into the jungles of eastern Zaire. In 1964, Kabila helped organise a revolt in the Ruzizi region."

Does this not gloss over the role of Belgium and the USA in Lumumba's assassination? I know a full discussion would be better placed under Lumumba's page, but some reference to Western involvement should be made. Perhaps it would be better to simply state "after Lumumba's assassination..."

carl

Your post is truth-bearing. Wikipedia articles often ignore the true history of Pan-Africans, Indigenous Americans, and any other leaders who were not supportive of the Trans-Atlantic Slave Trade, Western Capitalism, etc. Note that editors claim Lumumba should not be mentioned since his time in office was short. Yet Wikipedia article about American President William Henry Harrison (32 Days in office) mention his name in the article about American President that succeeded him. (This pattern exists throughout Wikipedia, mentioning people who were pro American, Pro Western interests, and ignoring those (or vilifying them) if they were for the freedom of 3rd world, Africans, African-Americans, etc. Wikipedia allows biases against such leaders and historic events, by ensuring that most editors support Western ideologies, political and financial systems, etc. Wikipedia should be named: WesternAgendaPedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 38.15.238.229 (talk) 08:24, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

More research on allegations of massacres of Hutu refugees needed

I did a quick search and found a few stories. There are many more: http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9502EEDF113FF932A35754C0A96E958260 http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C0CE0DD1531F934A35756C0A96E958260 http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9F0CE1D6173CF935A25757C0A96E958260 http://members.tripod.com/refugeenews/oct697congo.htm http://www.wagingpeace.info/?q=node/65 128.135.121.202 (talk) 21:55, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

president?

" President of the Democratic Republic of the Congo "
Isn't there a little difference between a self-proclaimed president and an elected president? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.2.83.146 (talk) 19:03, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

Punctuation of the section Assassination

I tried to fix the punctuation errors under the 'Assassination' headline/topic but it saved it rather wierd looking; it put the corrected sentence in italics and didn't fix the punctuation problem. Can someone help me fix this? Thanks. Labtek00 (talk) 13:07, 17 January 2016 (UTC) Labtek00 (talk) 13:07, 17 January 2016 (UTC)

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